Re: [OT] MVC / Model 2 for Microsoft ???

[Adam Hardy]

MVC is never used as a term in the Microsoft world that I know of. When 
I was doing Microsoft stuff as well as java, up to the intro of .NET, 
the architectural paradigm for building "best practice" apps was based 
around the Microsoft Solutions Framework or MSF. You have to know all 
about that to get the MSCD in "Analyzing Requirements and Defining 
Solution Architectures".

I still have the MSCD training kit book for the exam, while I've sold 
all the rest of my VB, MTS, COM & ASP books. It's got alot of useful 
principles / patterns in it.

I might have changed since .NET hit the streets though. I dumped 
Microsoft rather than learn .NET, in order to concentrate on Java, which 
is huge enough without wanting to keep up to date on the MS stuff as well.

Adam

Aaron Longwell wrote:
I hope I don't start a huge debate....

with that intro, here goes.

I am a freelance web developer. I've been struggling lately with not 
being able to use the Struts framework on ALL projects. Specifically, I 
do work with a number of Microsoft Devotees. For several sites, this has 
meant developing in old ASP.... like playing with Duplos compared to 
Struts.

I have been spending some time learning the .NET framework. So far it 
looks great... er, the features that look like Java look great. But 
then, why wouldn't I just use the more open, polished, 
community-oriented, original... Java? So now to the point... I don't 
have a choice for some projects... I have to use .NET.

I am curious if anyone is aware of an MVC-type framework for .NET. I am 
NOT looking for a Struts port to .NET. I started doing a little 
research, searching for things like "Best Practices"  or ".NET Patterns" 
etc. I found almost nothing... no best practices guides. Not even a 
single recommendation about builing Object-based backend systems. In 
fact, most books I've read on ASP.NET and .NET in general have focused 
on database access code directly in the ASPX page itself....(in the 
"Code Behind" section).

Am I:

1) Naive to not notice that Java Enterprise developers are light-years 
ahead of MS developers in terms of programming practices, design 
patterns, and role separation?

2) Mistaken? There really are MVC frameworks in .NET... but they are all 
internal... and no community oriented projects exist.

Thanks for the input.

Aaron Longwell

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