heheh MS Java (don't forget the MS in front :))
To my knowledge, I don't think is fully compliant to real Java(TM).
--Alen


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From: "Aaron Longwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] MVC / Model 2 for Microsoft ???


> Whoa... MS Has released J#... that would be .NET Java.
> 
> Anybody used this? Maybe I could just build an app with struts... then 
> copy the Business/Data Tier code to a .NET app in J#.
> 
> Is J# code compatible with REAL java?
> 
> Aaron Longwell wrote:
> 
> > I hope I don't start a huge debate....
> >
> > with that intro, here goes.
> >
> > I am a freelance web developer. I've been struggling lately with not 
> > being able to use the Struts framework on ALL projects. Specifically, 
> > I do work with a number of Microsoft Devotees. For several sites, this 
> > has meant developing in old ASP.... like playing with Duplos compared 
> > to Struts.
> >
> > I have been spending some time learning the .NET framework. So far it 
> > looks great... er, the features that look like Java look great. But 
> > then, why wouldn't I just use the more open, polished, 
> > community-oriented, original... Java? So now to the point... I don't 
> > have a choice for some projects... I have to use .NET.
> >
> > I am curious if anyone is aware of an MVC-type framework for .NET. I 
> > am NOT looking for a Struts port to .NET. I started doing a little 
> > research, searching for things like "Best Practices"  or ".NET 
> > Patterns" etc. I found almost nothing... no best practices guides. Not 
> > even a single recommendation about builing Object-based backend 
> > systems. In fact, most books I've read on ASP.NET and .NET in general 
> > have focused on database access code directly in the ASPX page 
> > itself....(in the "Code Behind" section).
> >
> > Am I:
> >
> > 1) Naive to not notice that Java Enterprise developers are light-years 
> > ahead of MS developers in terms of programming practices, design 
> > patterns, and role separation?
> >
> > 2) Mistaken? There really are MVC frameworks in .NET... but they are 
> > all internal... and no community oriented projects exist.
> >
> > Thanks for the input.
> >
> > Aaron Longwell
> >
> >
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