Am Dienstag, 16. September 2003 08:43 schrieb Stefan Frank: > Hi Christian,
Hi Stefan, hi everyone, > found the reason: tools.jar was a good hint and setting the jvm to > verbose showed, that bea forks a new process for the jsp-compile: > Unfortunately, there is an older jvm running on the same box, which > results in the JAVA_HOME being set to a jdk1.1: ergo, the 45 is > correct. Pointing the JAVA_HOME to the right jdk fixed this (and also > significantly speeds up the page-compile) . Thought of something like this. Nice to hear the problem was solved :-) Hope the other guy's problem was solved likewise. > Uhh, that Oracle-Story really sounds like great fun :) Definitely, it was not :-) Apart from that certain moment when you know 'hey, it works!' and feel the Adrenaline levels slowly decrease... > At least, we > can all be very grateful, that Oracle dumped its own App-Server, Yep. Finally, they too came to that insight. The OAS was a piece of crap, apart from the Forms cartridge, probably. > Orion was aat least a good thing to start with (I wonder how much > time it will take Oracle to screw this one up, too) Well, the first release of iAS 9i was more or less the Orion server with a different label but a 20fold price tag. Still, Oracle's Java efforts finally seem to lead to respectable results. Even up to now, noone I know of makes any use of Java in the database or the Aurora VM, though it was a nice concept, regardless of the Java and Internet hypes in-between. It's still not bad, but with 9i, there also came compiled PL/SQL, and in the end, Java in the database makes just as much sense as the Visual Basic code in T | MS SQL :-) > - BTW: how does > 10g feel?! 10g is just *great*, period. :) Definitely, it's no lightweight and can't compete with things like Eclipse or IntelliJ in this direction (personally, I'm more on the Sun ONE | NetBeans track, so I don't have too much experience in Real Life with those). In the end, I finally was kind of fed up with the Sun ONE JSP debugger and began looking for something more stable. Then I gave Oracle's JDeveloper 9i a closer look and found it to be missing in some directions when compared to Sun ONE, and I had to get accustomed to its general (JBuilder-like) concept too, but one thing convinced me rather soon, and that was that it proved to be rock-solid in every aspect.. Basically, I don't really use anything except the Code and Class editors and Ant, and the debugger when it comes to tracking bugs. I furthermore depend on a good help system, including a decent code-completion feature plus instant, configurable access to the documentation by just pressing F1, context- aware if possible. In JDev 9i, this all is available without any further notice or marketing fuss about it. Recent versions also added integrated Struts support, so basically you can edit struts-config.xml via a Wizard like in Struts Console, but usually I tend to use the integrated XML editor for such things. JDev 9i integrates OC4J instead of Tomcat, but then, the JSP debugger finally works as expected, never hangs up somewhere and just does what I expect from it in a true rock-solid manner. Though it took some time to get accustomed to it, I admit. But now it's really fun to work with it. Though I really liked NetBeans | Forte | Sun ONE Studio ( I'm still an EAP member), and some things they did I still miss, the excellent HTTP monitor, for example. Now: JDev 10g in its final release will be kind of a a killer IDE IMHO. You have to see for yourself, still. Basically, they took all the things that were im- provable in JDev 9i and made them better. For example, they added code error highlighting (like in .NET Studio) not only for .java files, but for any file, including CSS. There's a JSP-aware HTML editor that finally 'just does the job'. They also improved an abundance of subtle things you might not even notice, including an HTML reformatting option that also translates non-ASCII characters to their proper HTML entity representations; so in JDev 10g, you might write something like 'ß,' and it will automatically convert that to ß. I definitely would give it a try. Note it's still just a 'Preview' yet and therefore not suitable for 'production' use, and it still has some obvious bug (for example, the Swing UI doesn't work at all under Linux, but the Oracle UI does perfectly). For private use, I already switched to 10g because of its overall benefits. For production use, we still stick to 9i. And in both cases, usually the first thing I do is to switch off all those Oracle-specific things, kind of habit, I think. 10g is announced to support Tomcat 4/5 and JBoss, among others, and it claims to support Web Services as comfortably as seen in .NET Studio recently. Don't think it is a marketing myth: in the preview, click on a class, and JDev will generate the necessary WSDL, and the only references to some- thing Oracle-related are in the comments. My experiences are rather limited yet, but this was the last IDE that really im- pressed me for a very long time. >Compared to eclipse and/or IntellliJ?! From the > Product-Description, I'm really thinking about giving it a try... Won't be a really bad idea, IMHO. But be prepared for an entirely different experience if you're accustomed to one of these. The Oracle IDE is definitely no lightweight and needs a fast and resourceful machine underneath. A Pentium 4 class machine with 512MB RAM is the minimum, I guess. And note the Preview release is not production-ready yet. It's astonishingly stable in most critical areas, but it still has some obvious bugs. > Maybe I'm a little prejudiced about Oracle, but the only really good > thing that ever came from Oracle is the Database (and I'm very > curious what they exactly mean with the g=grid) As with all things, marketing's view is different from a developer's one who ultimately has to cope with the former. Telling from my own experiences, you definitely are right about Oracle. There's the database core which is still a class of its own and rock-solid, and there's an abundance of additional tools and technologies surrounding it. Most of the latter ones proved to be rather shortlived and error-prone, and I tend to just ignore those features at all, if I can. I also wonder how grid computing might be a benefit in terms of Oracle, but well - there's the database core and proven things that just work (like PL/SQL) around it, and for the rest, I really don't care very much, But their Java tools really got much better, recently, and the JDev line definitely is a promising thing since the 9i release. Personally, I wouldn't have thought that Oracle might come up with something like this one day. Well, we'll see what may finally come of it, but even today, JDev beats JBuilder in any direction, and with a different price tag (admitting being biased here, as the company I work for is an Oracle Alliance member, but after all, these are just my private thoughts). > cheers&many thanks for the help > stefan Cheers, being glad it works now, -- Chris (SCPJ2) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
