On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Dirk Hohndel <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > It is missing? I don't think so. At least I can see it in Subsurface 4.4 > Did you check? > > My fault :) I was looking too much to other logbooks and I miss it! > In the last weeks I tested several desktop and online logbooks. When it > > comes to statistics most of them have an "All you can eat" approach > > displaying tons of charts although only few of them being meaningful. > > Here I selected those I find more useful (IMHO). A rose is a rose hence > > it's difficult to be original on some of them. > > The biggest problem to me is that more is not always better. Every new > tab, every new graph, every new statistic adds more code, more bugs, more > testing... > > I agree with you > > *Overall/General/Outline* > > > > http://i.imgur.com/sDGavon.png > > > > Nearly all logbooks have a Overall view giving general statistics on the > > logbook owner so we can't be different on this :) > > Actually, yes we can, but I'll go along with you... > > > Actually it's similar to the current "stats" tab. > > I did not try to layout labels right now. It's just a list of what we > could > > have here: > > > > - Num of dives (where/when) > > - Total time diving (where/when) > > - Max / Min duration (where/when) > > - Max / Min depth (where/when) > > - Max / Min temperature (where/when) > > What does "where/when" mean in all of those? > e.g. 574 dives - latest: Barracuda Point on 15/01/2015 Max dive runtime at Block Island on 13/07/2012 Min dive runtime at Frozen Reeff on 13/07/2010 And so on. Where/when on total time diving is a copy&paste error > > - Most dove spot/location > > - Average depth & average time > > Define average depth, please. Is this the mean depth of all the dives, or > the mean of the max depths of all the dives? We've had this confusion > before... > I guess mean depth of all the dives. > > > - How many trips > > - Most used tank > > - > > - Total amount of gas used: > > - Air: xxx > > - He: yyy > > - O2: zzz > > > > Based on space available we could use the lowest part of this panel view > to > > draw a chart...(the time goes by chart described later) > > I think this is already a ton of information... and I worry about text > only information as we have it on the stats tab. This often results in a > very hard to absorb UI. So that's why I said above "we can decide not to > have this 'overview'". > I agree that mixing text info and a chart is not the best solution. This is the classic entry point for statistics. It's like a scuba CV with outline data. All logbooks desktop/online have something like this and some divers use this like a badge. This outline screen would be the best candidate for social network integration or even a front-page of html export. Please do not touch the Anton's overall gas info of which I'm particulary fond of :) > > > *Map View* > > > > http://i.imgur.com/o8IP4Ho.png > > > > > > I took this idea form an online logbook (diveaboard.com) and I saw this > > bubbles in other google maps based projects. (a local newspaper here in > > Italy use the same bubbles to display news location). > > Basically it gives you the concentration of your dives. Each color bubble > > indicate/aggregates a number-of-dives range. I do not know if this is > > possible with Marble/Openstreetmap. > > Bubbles scales according to the map zoom. I can give you more examples if > > you are interested. > > This is a very cool visualization. I really like it. Definitely want this > one. > > > Once you zoom-in after a certain scale you get a single dive spot view > like > > our current Marble map. > > Yes! > > > We are not editing dives here so it would be nice that once I hoover on a > > given dive spot I get a small box with main dive details. > > What happens if there are many dives at that spot? > Try for yourself: http://www.diveboard.com/explore I think they have a fixd zoom setting where they show the real data on the map layer. THis is a news site: http://roma.repubblica.it/static/rep-locali/rep-roma/mappa-notizie/ Maybe it is a google map api > > *Time goes by view* > > > > http://i.imgur.com/ybpmZ2e.png > > > > Despite of the funny name I gave it this is maybe the most classical > > statistic view: number of dives through the time. > > > > I saw many logbooks wasting screens using two separate graphs for months > > and years. > > > > I would like having just one chart which mimics sparklines charts: micro > > columns/bar charts. > > I show two examples of what I mean. (one is the Soundcloud chart). > > > > Our chart would have: > > > > - Each mont is one bar., one year 12 bars > > - Months are grouped by year using alternate colors: (two shades of gray) > > 12 months light gray and 12 months dark gray. > > - Max/Min values (month with most/least dives and year with most/least > > dives) are indicated by special colors as in the example. > > - We could give extra info just hoovering on bars and having a info box > > like the current dive profile. > > WOW. That's a lot of work to implement. And except for people who dive > every week... who would really get much out of this? Maybe I'm mis-judging > our average user, but I'm not convinced this is all that interesting and > it would be a lot, lot, lot of work and a lot of bug fixing and what not. > Ok. That was my try to have a lot of info in one place. I will try to sketch it. divelogs.de and diving log have separate charts for this > > > - Some of overall stats tab could be moved here and indicated by a bar > of a > > special color. > > - This chart could be moved in the overall tab lowest position. > > > > *DDS view (Depth, Duration, SAC)* > > > > http://i.imgur.com/7uXP6qS.png > > > > Most of logbooks use have 5 charts (at least) for this view plotting > depth > > and duration both on x and y-axis... > > > > IMHO having depth and duration on y-axis is completely meaningless while > > having them on x-axis is useful. > > > > SAC is the only stats is worth having on x-axis showing evoluton os gas > > consumption through experience. > > > > I would like having just one chart. On the wireframe I draw two charts > just > > to show the difference on X-Y axis. > > I'd like to see more example pictures of what you want here... this has > often been requested, and certainly the depth and duration charts seem > obvious and easy to do. > > Ok, I'll try > > *Pie view* > > > > http://i.imgur.com/D0fAH8I.png > > > > Whatever can be represented by a pie chart should go here. > > I found: > > > > - Deco/Curve > > - Ripetitive dive Y/n > > - Sea/Fresh water dive > > - OC/CCR/PSCR/Free dive > > - DC Model > > - Countries > > > > Umm, I need a lot more examples to understand what this is supposed to be. > What does "Deco/Curve" mean? A lot of these seem like "fluff". I don't > mean this in a bad way, I just think that the incremental use vs. > incremental effort don't look promising. > A pie chart showing percentage of "new dives" against repetitive dives You dive with 5 DC but what is the percentage of use of all your dc in you career? I agree with your concerns (I'm not a developer :) ) Actually the whole statistics concept applied to our diving log is somewhat a "fluff". It's like a selfie. An hedonistic approach to click and see how I'm good at mixed with anal-retentive thinking :) I think that people who dive only in two/three trips in a year don't log their dives but maybe I'm wrong. If you do not dive often why you should spend/wasting your time compiling logbooks? I saw that a lot of technical divers los their dives, specially reb divers. My buddies uploaded their dives to divelogs just to see their statistics. Would be nice having a better understanding of the average dive-logger joe :) > > Based on filter selection some statistics charts could be impossible to > > calculate or display. > > UI should take care to disable that views that lacks of meaning. > > Can you give examples? > I was not clear, sorry. I meant that if you filter only few or even one dive, what do you pretend to see? Bye -- Davide https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos
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