Some more wireframes for DDS (depth Duration and SAC) Depth
http://i.imgur.com/6d1eF4N.png Duration http://i.imgur.com/QQV3qAX.png SAC http://i.imgur.com/dLjyt9K.png A couple of dumb pie charts for DC model and dive type: http://i.imgur.com/kR3Rd9d.png http://i.imgur.com/q342io0.png Bye On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Davide DB <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Dirk Hohndel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> It is missing? I don't think so. At least I can see it in Subsurface 4.4 >> Did you check? >> > > My fault :) > I was looking too much to other logbooks and I miss it! > >> > In the last weeks I tested several desktop and online logbooks. When it >> > comes to statistics most of them have an "All you can eat" approach >> > displaying tons of charts although only few of them being meaningful. >> > Here I selected those I find more useful (IMHO). A rose is a rose hence >> > it's difficult to be original on some of them. >> >> The biggest problem to me is that more is not always better. Every new >> tab, every new graph, every new statistic adds more code, more bugs, more >> testing... >> > > I agree with you > > > >> >> > *Overall/General/Outline* >> > >> > http://i.imgur.com/sDGavon.png >> > >> > Nearly all logbooks have a Overall view giving general statistics on the >> > logbook owner so we can't be different on this :) >> >> Actually, yes we can, but I'll go along with you... >> >> > Actually it's similar to the current "stats" tab. >> > I did not try to layout labels right now. It's just a list of what we >> > could >> > have here: >> > >> > - Num of dives (where/when) >> > - Total time diving (where/when) >> > - Max / Min duration (where/when) >> > - Max / Min depth (where/when) >> > - Max / Min temperature (where/when) >> >> What does "where/when" mean in all of those? > > > e.g. > > 574 dives - latest: Barracuda Point on 15/01/2015 > > Max dive runtime at Block Island on 13/07/2012 > Min dive runtime at Frozen Reeff on 13/07/2010 > > And so on. > Where/when on total time diving is a copy&paste error > > >> >> > - Most dove spot/location >> > - Average depth & average time >> >> Define average depth, please. Is this the mean depth of all the dives, or >> the mean of the max depths of all the dives? We've had this confusion >> before... > > > I guess mean depth of all the dives. > > >> >> >> > - How many trips >> > - Most used tank >> > - >> > - Total amount of gas used: >> > - Air: xxx >> > - He: yyy >> > - O2: zzz >> > >> > Based on space available we could use the lowest part of this panel view >> > to >> > draw a chart...(the time goes by chart described later) >> >> I think this is already a ton of information... and I worry about text >> only information as we have it on the stats tab. This often results in a >> very hard to absorb UI. So that's why I said above "we can decide not to >> have this 'overview'". > > > > I agree that mixing text info and a chart is not the best solution. > This is the classic entry point for statistics. It's like a scuba CV with > outline data. > All logbooks desktop/online have something like this and some divers use > this like a badge. > This outline screen would be the best candidate for social network > integration or even a front-page of html export. > > Please do not touch the Anton's overall gas info of which I'm particulary > fond of :) > > >> > >> > *Map View* >> > >> > http://i.imgur.com/o8IP4Ho.png >> > >> > >> > I took this idea form an online logbook (diveaboard.com) and I saw this >> > bubbles in other google maps based projects. (a local newspaper here in >> > Italy use the same bubbles to display news location). >> > Basically it gives you the concentration of your dives. Each color >> > bubble >> > indicate/aggregates a number-of-dives range. I do not know if this is >> > possible with Marble/Openstreetmap. >> > Bubbles scales according to the map zoom. I can give you more examples >> > if >> > you are interested. >> >> This is a very cool visualization. I really like it. Definitely want this >> one. >> >> > Once you zoom-in after a certain scale you get a single dive spot view >> > like >> > our current Marble map. >> >> Yes! >> >> > We are not editing dives here so it would be nice that once I hoover on >> > a >> > given dive spot I get a small box with main dive details. >> >> What happens if there are many dives at that spot? > > > Try for yourself: > > http://www.diveboard.com/explore > > I think they have a fixd zoom setting where they show the real data on the > map layer. > > THis is a news site: > > http://roma.repubblica.it/static/rep-locali/rep-roma/mappa-notizie/ > > Maybe it is a google map api > > >> >> > *Time goes by view* >> > >> > http://i.imgur.com/ybpmZ2e.png >> > >> > Despite of the funny name I gave it this is maybe the most classical >> > statistic view: number of dives through the time. >> > >> > I saw many logbooks wasting screens using two separate graphs for months >> > and years. >> > >> > I would like having just one chart which mimics sparklines charts: micro >> > columns/bar charts. >> > I show two examples of what I mean. (one is the Soundcloud chart). >> > >> > Our chart would have: >> > >> > - Each mont is one bar., one year 12 bars >> > - Months are grouped by year using alternate colors: (two shades of >> > gray) >> > 12 months light gray and 12 months dark gray. >> > - Max/Min values (month with most/least dives and year with most/least >> > dives) are indicated by special colors as in the example. >> > - We could give extra info just hoovering on bars and having a info box >> > like the current dive profile. >> >> WOW. That's a lot of work to implement. And except for people who dive >> every week... who would really get much out of this? Maybe I'm mis-judging >> our average user, but I'm not convinced this is all that interesting and >> it would be a lot, lot, lot of work and a lot of bug fixing and what not. > > > Ok. That was my try to have a lot of info in one place. > I will try to sketch it. > divelogs.de and diving log have separate charts for this > > >> >> >> > - Some of overall stats tab could be moved here and indicated by a bar >> > of a >> > special color. >> > - This chart could be moved in the overall tab lowest position. >> > >> > *DDS view (Depth, Duration, SAC)* >> > >> > http://i.imgur.com/7uXP6qS.png >> > >> > Most of logbooks use have 5 charts (at least) for this view plotting >> > depth >> > and duration both on x and y-axis... >> > >> > IMHO having depth and duration on y-axis is completely meaningless while >> > having them on x-axis is useful. >> > >> > SAC is the only stats is worth having on x-axis showing evoluton os gas >> > consumption through experience. >> > >> > I would like having just one chart. On the wireframe I draw two charts >> > just >> > to show the difference on X-Y axis. >> >> I'd like to see more example pictures of what you want here... this has >> often been requested, and certainly the depth and duration charts seem >> obvious and easy to do. >> > > Ok, I'll try > > >> >> > *Pie view* >> > >> > http://i.imgur.com/D0fAH8I.png >> > >> > Whatever can be represented by a pie chart should go here. >> > I found: >> > >> > - Deco/Curve >> > - Ripetitive dive Y/n >> > - Sea/Fresh water dive >> > - OC/CCR/PSCR/Free dive >> > - DC Model >> > - Countries >> > >> >> Umm, I need a lot more examples to understand what this is supposed to be. >> What does "Deco/Curve" mean? A lot of these seem like "fluff". I don't >> mean this in a bad way, I just think that the incremental use vs. >> incremental effort don't look promising. > > > A pie chart showing percentage of "new dives" against repetitive dives > You dive with 5 DC but what is the percentage of use of all your dc in you > career? > > I agree with your concerns (I'm not a developer :) ) > Actually the whole statistics concept applied to our diving log is somewhat > a "fluff". > It's like a selfie. > An hedonistic approach to click and see how I'm good at mixed with > anal-retentive thinking :) > I think that people who dive only in two/three trips in a year don't log > their dives but maybe I'm wrong. > If you do not dive often why you should spend/wasting your time compiling > logbooks? > I saw that a lot of technical divers los their dives, specially reb divers. > My buddies uploaded their dives to divelogs just to see their statistics. > > Would be nice having a better understanding of the average dive-logger joe > :) > > >> >> > Based on filter selection some statistics charts could be impossible to >> > calculate or display. >> > UI should take care to disable that views that lacks of meaning. >> >> Can you give examples? > > > > I was not clear, sorry. I meant that if you filter only few or even one > dive, what do you pretend to see? > > Bye > > -- > Davide > https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos -- Davide https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos _______________________________________________ subsurface mailing list [email protected] http://lists.subsurface-divelog.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/subsurface
