On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.elia...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo >> >> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too >> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is >> possible (networks being connected to at startup?) >> >> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can >> (travelling today) >> >> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the example >> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to >> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after >> the Sugar spash page > > Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with > several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same > time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels > (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the > UI. > > I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully, and > then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain > a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the > sugar logo. Thoughts? > >> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version >> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, > > I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI. > Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to > find that info. > >> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the >> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might not >> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad >> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We >> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running v0..84 >> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many >> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope) sow >> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education >> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside >> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to make >> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in >> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for >> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases); >> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of >> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping >> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity) >> is a key aspect of that. >> >> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time (especially a >> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from Apple? > > We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the > center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. The > info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, which > might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design for > the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps > directly to the correct settings panel. > > We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings, removing > it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own modal > dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item. > > I would be fine with either approach. > >> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen; >> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX version >> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the Control >> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom bar >> has room I think. > > There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only be > needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information you > want to carry with you all the time. > >> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if >> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity >> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the >> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good approach >> which would let us skip info in the splash screen. >> >> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color >> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color is the >> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number. > > I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but
I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome idea. Eben > changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support > that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping > around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major > releases (2 per year, on average). > > > Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are > still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but won't > be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring the XO > in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be > introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of that > metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to > identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar logo > colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't seem > fit within that concept. > > Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go back > to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but > simple and clean and matches the UI. > > Eben > >> thanks >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' metaphor for the >>> growing ring. >>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise orange to >>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets (perhaps >>> the darker one last). These are just common earth metaphors that might come >>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog or digital >>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day ahead of them. >>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically on the >>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a home--a safe >>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities. "Will I grow >>> too like the graphic is suggesting?" >>> OK, these are just potential metaphors... >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I like that a lot. >>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the 'About my >>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed after >>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me nervous about >>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.) >>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic guidelines' >>>> page for deployments and packagers. >>>> I suggest you try this sequence: >>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential) >>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe) >>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for me? Will I >>>> grow too as suggested?) >>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic, pausing, usually a >>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing the name of >>>> this tool and those who built it for me) Do we want a gray Sugar >>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix? >>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the Sugar Home >>>> view.) >>>> Thanks everyone! --Fred >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki: >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > I mostly like it. Seems to be close to what we want for now. >>>>> > Please consider these adjustments: >>>>> > 1. No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer" panel). >>>>> > 2. Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) to fit the >>>>> > other >>>>> > elements, leave out the fine print. >>>>> > 3. Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no unfilled >>>>> > place >>>>> > holders). I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring growing >>>>> > without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the completed >>>>> > color >>>>> > burst. >>>>> > Thank you! --Fred >>>>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Here's the second mockup: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page >>>>> >> >>>>> >> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a "growing" or >>>>> >> "approaching" XO avatar. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Comments welcome please. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> thanks >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Sean >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Marketing mailing list >>>>> > market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Marketing mailing list >>> market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel