On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:54:13PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
I'm rather puzzled why you are resorting to personal attacks on me; I've had a rather high opinion of you up to now.I am failing to resist responding to this troll.
I'll try an objective answer nevertheless.
It's correct that one can do DBus calls from the shell. Whether that capability works fairly well I cannot judge; every time I need DBus I use python because I find it more comfortable than dbus-send. That wasn't the point, though: I'm not asking for _API_ access to NetworkManager (I already got that using python), but for a CLI _tool_ to use as an _administrator_ or _user_, not as a developer.Dbus access from the command line is fairly good,
and NM supports a number of static data files for configuration if that's what you want yo do.What I want to be able to do is exactly the same I can do using nm-applet. As for the static config files, I considered that in the past, but failed because I couldn't find any documentation locally (and didn't have internet access because that was exactly what I was trying to set up on the only laptop I had with me). Even now I find the documentation [1] to be rather lacking. I'm referred to the settings specification [2] for finding out what settings I need to supply; the specification lists 139 keys in 15 settings. It would take me hours to figure out how to connect to a bog-standard WPA2 access point this way. You seem to have experience using these files: would they work the same way using system connections with nm-applet would do? I.e. can I still change location and have NetworkManager connect automatically to available networks? Will Sugar still be able to show all available networks and let me pick them?
Learn the new tools,
I'm trying to, but...
so far I'm getting quite frustrated every time I try, wasting countless hours trying to accomplishing something that would have taken me mere minutes before. A normal user would be totally out of luck.you'll like them.
Arguing from the stuck-in-the-mud old fart perspective may be fun, but it's not constructive.It's certainly no fun being stuck in the mud. Since I don't have enough time to fix all upstream components myself, filing bugs and making others aware of the issues is the most constructive I can get. FWIW, I'm even planning to enhance Sugar [3] so I can run nm-applet, just to be able to _configure_ NetworkManager.
[1] http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings[2] http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/developers/settings-spec-08.html
[3] https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1886 CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/
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