Thank you, I got it.
Well, perhaps I overestimate the document
On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 8:07 PM Jakob Erdmann <[email protected]> wrote:
> Unfortunately this description oversimplifies the implementation reality.
> Any Model still needs to know
> - how to retrieve and interpret the topolography ("rooms", agents, goals,
> obstacles etc),
> - how and under what constraints the topography may be updated
> This is where the interesting (difficult) details are.
>
> Am Mi., 23. Nov. 2022 um 12:14 Uhr schrieb Thanhnt Nguyen <
> [email protected]>:
>
>> As it said: if a developer wants to define his own model, he only
>> implements the interface Model, and then write four methods: initialize,
>> perLoop, postLoop and update. However, to be honest, I have not yet
>> followed the guidelines
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 6:10 PM Thanhnt Nguyen <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The paper reads: 3.2.3. Including different locomotion models using the
>>> strategy pattern. Vadere’s goal is to offer a generic framework to support
>>> different locomotion models. The challenge is to keep development effort
>>> minimal. The solution idea is to provide an interface. More precisely, each
>>> locomotion model must implement a common in-terface that contains four
>>> methodsncluding different locomotion models usingthe strategy
>>> pattern.Vadere’s
>>> goal is to offer a genericframework to support different locomotion
>>> models. Thechallenge is to keep development effort minimal. Thesolution
>>> idea is to provide an interface. More precisely,each locomotion model
>>> must implement a common in-terface that contains four methods
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 6:04 PM Thanhnt Nguyen <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Jakob
>>>> Here comes the paper: "Vadere: An open-source simulation framework to
>>>> promote interdisciplinary understanding". In 3.2.3, the guide in this
>>>> document is honestly very short, but I suppose a well-experienced developer
>>>> could easily follow it and then write his own model
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 5:46 PM Jakob Erdmann <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the reference. I very much agree with the goal of
>>>>> simplifying custom pedestrian model integration into SUMO (w.r.t
>>>>> documentation as well as simplicity of API).
>>>>> With that in mind I'd be very interested in reading the mentioned
>>>>> documentation on how to add custom models to Vadere. Unfortunately, I was
>>>>> not able to find this either in the paper nor on vadere.org or at
>>>>> https://gitlab.lrz.de/vadere/vadere
>>>>> Can you provide a link?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am Mi., 23. Nov. 2022 um 08:59 Uhr schrieb Thanhnt Nguyen <
>>>>> [email protected]>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Jakob
>>>>>> By the way, as reading the paper of Vadere [1], I notice that this
>>>>>> pedestrian dynamic simulation has a guide for any user-defined model. In
>>>>>> this guide, one could know which class is to extend and which methods are
>>>>>> to override. It helps Vadere developers a lot. Of course, Vadere is no
>>>>>> match for our SUMO (in scope as well as user community) ; but I hope one
>>>>>> day SUMO could give its developers such a guide.
>>>>>> ==========================================
>>>>>> [1] Reading 3.2.3 of "Vadere: An open-source simulation framework to
>>>>>> promote interdisciplinary understanding"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 2:00 PM Jakob Erdmann <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For (ii) you might be able to hack something together with TraCI
>>>>>>> (person.setSpeed,
>>>>>>> https://sumo.dlr.de/docs/TraCI/Change_Person_State.html): whenever
>>>>>>> an S encounters a D ahead of an intersection you could slow down it's
>>>>>>> maximum speed to that of D so they will only cross together. After the
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> intersection you could reset the speed for S.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am Di., 22. Nov. 2022 um 01:13 Uhr schrieb Thanhnt Nguyen <
>>>>>>> [email protected]>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you, Mr.Jakob
>>>>>>>> About (ii), yes, my main goal is to get temporary formation of
>>>>>>>> pedestrian groups. Realistic looking visualization is also important
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> not the main objective.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (iii) if it's impossible to take the length of a platoon into
>>>>>>>> account, I would change a bit in my environment, for example, the
>>>>>>>> platoon
>>>>>>>> has a very small distance between each AGV, then no one could come
>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>> two AGVs. Therefore the platoon of several AGVs would become a unique
>>>>>>>> AGV
>>>>>>>> which is long, containing several carriages (each carriage is a single
>>>>>>>> AGV). This long AGV lets pedestrians notice it and the length prolongs
>>>>>>>> waiting time for them. Therefore, due to waiting so long, the gap
>>>>>>>> acceptance of pedestrians will reduce in the near future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vào 22:47, Th 2, 21 thg 11, 2022 Jakob Erdmann <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> đã viết:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (i) you can define different types of pedestrians (i.e. name
>>>>>>>>> S,N,D, etc) and assign different maximum speeds
>>>>>>>>> (ii) complex group behavior as described is quite far from the
>>>>>>>>> current models. What is the main goal here?
>>>>>>>>> - accurate travel times for persons (might work by making some
>>>>>>>>> persons slower)
>>>>>>>>> - accurate travel times for AGV (might work by making some
>>>>>>>>> persons "bigger")
>>>>>>>>> - temporary formation of pedestrian groups that block a bigger
>>>>>>>>> part of the floor space (assemble, cross, disperse)?
>>>>>>>>> - realistic looking visualization?
>>>>>>>>> My guess is that the latter two points would be quite involved to
>>>>>>>>> model and implement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (iii) gap acceptance in sumo currently has no way to take platoons
>>>>>>>>> length into account. The pedestrian behavior is using similar methods
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> that used by cars coming from a minor road and this only looks at the
>>>>>>>>> closest oncoming car. SUMO does allow some hooks to purposefully
>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>> conflicts and you might use this to tune the gap acceptance (
>>>>>>>>> https://sumo.dlr.de/docs/Definition_of_Vehicles%2C_Vehicle_Types%2C_and_Routes.html#transient_parameters
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>> Jakob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 21. Nov. 2022 um 06:03 Uhr schrieb Thanhnt Nguyen <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Mr.Jakob
>>>>>>>>>> Let me briefly introduce my healthcare environment: individuals
>>>>>>>>>> move with AGV. The AGVs are only to transfer materials in the
>>>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>>>> (a flat floor) like the following picture. AGV might meet
>>>>>>>>>> pedestrians who
>>>>>>>>>> include: staff (S for short), visitor (V for short), patients - move
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> normal (N for short) and individuals with disabilities (D for short)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Therefore I need some improvement:*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *(i) in XML, the personFlow needs new attributes, for example:
>>>>>>>>>> disable (a probability indicates the person is D or not). If a
>>>>>>>>>> pedestrian
>>>>>>>>>> is D type, he might have a stick or crutch or wheeled-chair or even
>>>>>>>>>> he is
>>>>>>>>>> bind.*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *(ii) In the intersection, D person (who has a slower velocity)
>>>>>>>>>> might be carried by other S, V or even N people for crossing,
>>>>>>>>>> especially as
>>>>>>>>>> the D is moving in a crossway. After leaving the crossway, D person
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> be left alone. *
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *(iii) A pedestrian will have different gap acceptance (a
>>>>>>>>>> distance between person to the AGV). If the distance is too short,
>>>>>>>>>> he/she
>>>>>>>>>> would decide to stay at the waiting area.*
>>>>>>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The gap acceptance of a pedestrian depends on yielding of vehicle
>>>>>>>>>> (too loud or not), healthy of the person as well as the number of
>>>>>>>>>> AGV's
>>>>>>>>>> platoon
>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the code of Omnet++ and SUMO, I still don't know which
>>>>>>>>>> files to modify. If it is too difficult to change the code, perhaps
>>>>>>>>>> I have
>>>>>>>>>> no choice but to use a quick and dirty hack to get my purpose.
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you in advance
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 9:51 PM Jakob Erdmann <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some comments:
>>>>>>>>>>> - the paper ""Modelling pedestrian dynamics in SUMO" doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> describe the whole set of vehicle/pedestrian interactions that are
>>>>>>>>>>> currently implemented
>>>>>>>>>>> - the SUMO team is currently engaged with the integration of
>>>>>>>>>>> "social force" style pedestrian models by way of JuPedSim (
>>>>>>>>>>> jupedsim.org), https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/tree/jupedsim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you describe the interactions that you need to simulation in
>>>>>>>>>>> more detail?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am So., 20. Nov. 2022 um 14:41 Uhr schrieb Thanhnt Nguyen <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>> As reading the papers: *"Modelling pedestrian dynamics in
>>>>>>>>>>>> SUMO" and "Pedestrian Simulation In SUMO Through Externally
>>>>>>>>>>>> Modelled
>>>>>>>>>>>> Agents" I notice that the current pedestrian model in SUMO is very
>>>>>>>>>>>> simple.*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *In my work, I need a pedestrian model which reflects a
>>>>>>>>>>>> healthcare environment. In this model, I intend to implement
>>>>>>>>>>>> interaction
>>>>>>>>>>>> between vehicles (Automated Guided Vehicle) as well as individuals
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> disabilities*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *I still don't know how to implement a new pedestrian model in
>>>>>>>>>>>> SUMO, could I need to modify the code of Viens?*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Does anyone have a hint for me by chance?*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Thank you in advance*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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