Check the BSS glossary chronology on line. The French connection is listed
for 1740 "The modern figure-8 form of the analemma curve is conceived by
Jean Paul Grandjean de Fouchy, secretary of the Académie des Sciences,
Paris." It also earlier notes Flamsteed's EoT in 1675
http://www.sundialsoc.org.uk/glossary/chronology/chronology.htm

The analemma on the analemmatic dial at Brou in 1756 by J. J. de LaLande is
a latter addition , but LaLande's analemma noon mark on the floor of the
Ancien Hopital in Tonnerre is an original. I have seen the analemma but
don't have a picture or a good date reference. The green Michelin Guide for
Burgundy Jura says "Note the gnomon (sundial) on the paving, designed in the
18C by a Benedictine monk and the astronomer LaLande (1732-1807)".

Regards,

Roger Bailey
Walking Shadow Designs
N 48.6  W 123.4

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Message text written by "Frans W. Maes"
>Much older is a very elaborate copper horizontal dial, engraved around
1730
by David Coster, now in the Rijksmuseum (Amsterdam-4 in the book, with
picture). It has analemmas for all hours from 8 to 16.<

Hi Frans, this gets more and more interesting!  Thanks for that.   Just
whilst you must have been sending your reply to the list I was looking at
the web site of
La Commission des Cadrans solaires du Québec
(URL: http://cadrans_solaires.scg.ulaval.ca/cadransolaire/toronto.html)
which has even more references....

La CCSQ has the following text:

"Our French tradition, by its numerous authors of Gnomonics (Deparcieux
(1741); Rivard (1742); Delambre (1819); Gotteland and Camus (1993)), has
established that the analemma was invented in 1730, by the French
astronomer Grandjean de Fouchy . Is it the final argument? I doubt it very
much... And I am not alone for doing so!

Ms. Gotteland continues her researches on that topic, and she revealed, in
1993, that there was no evidence that Grandjean de Fouchy has ever
published a paper about his "invention". More, Mr Hagen, from the Dutch
Sundial Society, told her that he found three portable sundials, with an
analemma, and all of them were made before 1730:

- one armillary sphere on a painting from the Fine Arts Museum of
Amsterdam;

- one table sundial, in the Greenwich Maritime Museum; let's recall that
its sundialist is Mr. Vogler, who deceased in 1725;

- and one horizontal sundial, kept in the Rijksmuseum of Amsterdam, with
analemmas on each line of the hours. That sundial was carved in 1719 by
David Coster...(eleven years before the supposed invention of 1730)

According to Ms. Gotteland, de Fouchy would have been the first one, in
France, to use the analemma on his sundials, but he did not invent it!"

I wonder if there are any other references?
Patrick

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