Ooops, the semidiameter value (below) should have been 16'(arc-mins)! 

-Luke

Luke Coletti wrote:
> 
> Charles,
> 
>         The location of the geometric Sun at Sunrise/Sunset is -(50/60)degs.
> This is based on a mean atmospheric refraction value of -34'(arc-mins)
> and a semidiameter for the solar disk of 12'(arc-mins). Sunrise occurs
> when the limb of the Sun not the center (which most calculations are
> made for) breaks the local horizon.
> 
>         Also in this vein, I'd like to second Daniel Wenger's example of using
> a locally oriented globe to judge the time to sunrise, sunset, twilight,
> not to mention the actual time. It's a very intuitive sundial type.
> 
> -Luke
> 
> Charles Gann wrote:
> > I've always been confused about when the three twilights begin and end.  My
> > best guess is that the order is:
> >
> > (1) Astronomical twilight begins       (altitude = -18 deg)
> > (2) Nautical twilight begins                (altitude = -12 deg)
> > (3) Civil twilight begins                      (altitude =   -6 deg)
> > (4) Sunrise                                          (altitude =    0 deg)
> > (5) Sunset                                            (altitude =    0 deg)
> > (6) Civil twilight ends                          (altitude =  -6 deg)
> > (7) Nautical twilight ends                    (altitude = -12 deg)
> > (8) Astronomical twilight ends           (altitude = -18 deg)
> >
> > If this is not right, would someone please set me straight and "end" my
> > confusion.  (My "Confusion twilight"  "began" quite some time ago :)
> >
> > Charlles

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