At 04:13 AM 9/6/99 -0400, Charles Gann wrote:
>
>Nice idea Mac!  Perhaps Roger could design the dial to show time remaining
>until
>
>(1) sunset
>(2) civil twilight
>(3) nautical twilight, and
>(4) astronomical twilight

Hello Charlles the diallist,

The design of such a dial is not as easy as I originally thought in my
midnight lucubration. On the celestial sphere, these altitude lines are
parallel to the horizon. As Daniel Wenger pointed out, it is possible to
define these lines and tell twilight times on a spherical dial such as his.
Projected onto the plane of a vertical dial, the altitude lines are the
usual complex hyperbolic curves as typified by declination lines. It can be
done but I do not see a simple general solution. Each site would be a
unique design.

By contrast, Italian hours have an elegant simplicity in showing the time
until sunset. No longitude or Equation of Time corrections are required as
the shadow tracks the actual path of the sun. The mathematical complexity
remains hidden.

 
>
>I've always been confused about when the three twilights begin and end.  My
>best guess is that the order is:
>
>(1) Astronomical twilight begins       (altitude = -18 deg)
>(2) Nautical twilight begins                (altitude = -12 deg)
>(3) Civil twilight begins                      (altitude =   -6 deg)
>(4) Sunrise                                          (altitude =    0 deg)
>(5) Sunset                                            (altitude =    0 deg)
>(6) Civil twilight ends                          (altitude =  -6 deg)
>(7) Nautical twilight ends                    (altitude = -12 deg)
>(8) Astronomical twilight ends           (altitude = -18 deg)
>

The twilight definitions are as outlined in Bowditch "American Practical
Navigator:  An Epitome of Navigation".  The "Explanatory Supplement to the
Astronomical Almanac" uses the zenith rather than the horizon as the
reference datum. The different definitions mean the same thing to me.
"Civil twilight ends in the evening and begins in the morning when the
center of the Sun reaches a zenith distance of 96 degrees. Nautical
twilight begins or ends when the Sun reaches a zenith distance of 102
degrees. Astronomical twilight begins or ends when the Sun reaches a zenith
distance of 108 degrees.

Sunrise and set are generally defined as the instant of the first or last
crack of sunlight at the horizon. According to ref #2, "The calculated
times of sunrise and sunset are based on the Sun having a geocentric zenith
distance of 90 degrees 50 minutes (34 minutes is allowed for horizontal
refraction... and 16 minutes is allowed for semi-diameter). There is no dip
correction included in these calculated times.

The Italian hour sundial is based your definition with the center of the
sun having a true altitude of zero. The times are generally not corrected
for refraction or semi-diameter. The apparent sun at time will appear to be
one full diameter above the horizon.   

The confusion based on different definitions offers an opportunity. Think
of the bar bets that could be won by carefully choosing your reference.
Personally I prefer the definition of twilight time made popular by the
Platters in 1958. "Heavenly shades of night are falling, its twilight time.."

Cheers,

Roger Bailey
Walking Shadow Designs
N 51  W 115

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