Hi Art,

I agree totally. I provided the reference to the Survival Manual because it
demonstrated how much you can learn by carefully observing and measuring
with minimal equipment, the motions of the sun and stars. I am continually
amazed at what this interest in sundials and the correspondence on this
mailing list has taught me. 

Roger Bailey

At 09:31 AM 5/14/99 -0700, Arthur Carlson wrote:
>
>I'm willing to (brashly) bet there was never a pilot who ever used these
>techniques or even took them seriously. Knowing your latitude and longitude
>without a map is useless, and if you have a map it is a lot easier and
>quicker to find your location from the terrain. If you can't find your
>location from the terrain because everything looks alike, an estimate of
>your latitude and longitude will not help much either. Mountains or rolling
>hills, possibly even forests, are likely to make a measurement of the length
>of the day too inexact to be useful. The only thing that is truly useful is
>finding directions, but then you should pack a compass, not a sextant. (That
>isn't to say none of this is "fascinating".)
>
>I do think being able to look at the sun and estimate directions could be
>useful (in case you forgot to pack a compass, shame on you!). On my list of
>things I would like to do and know how to go about but haven't found the
>time is to investigate telling directions from the moon. I read an article
>in the magazine of the German Alpine Club a few years ago on this topic and
>found it incredible. With a Ph.D. in physics I think I can figure out how
>many hours to add or subtract in which direction to convert moon position to
>sun position and then to direction, but I bet very few people dumb enough to
>get lost at night without a compass can. But even without a watch, if you
>see the moon rising, you know that's east. And if the shadow is oriented
>straight up and down, then the moon is in the south. You don't need to know
>much more than that to find the nearest road.
>
>--Art Carlson
>
>

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