Hello Jim

Refraction depends on the state of atmosphere and land/sea below it.
Temperature, pressure, humidity, density, clarity, temperature of land/sea
et.c. Generally the only way to know current refraction is to measure it
for given direction and for given altutde. Refraction for average
conditions is tabulated in almanachs. For sundialing purposes it is not
that important because it is measured in minutes of arc, not degrees so the
fuzzines of the shade is much bigger than error resulting from not taking
refraction into account. John's question was about exact time of visible
sunset/sunrise and then refraction is significant.

Slawek

P.S. I like your explanation of "automatic" cited in signature. As an
automatic control engineer by education I remember another one. If
someone's mother was a bitch then the guy was automatically son of a bitch.

At 09:56 AM 1/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
>"Slawomir K. Grzechnik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi John
>> 
>> Short answers to some of your questions.
>> 
>> Refraction does not change the azimuth, it significantly changes the
>> altitude.
>
>[...]
>
>> Slawek
>
>Yes, the azimuth will be preserved, but the change in altitude will
>change the position of the shadow cast by the gnomon, will it not?  I
>believe this to be John's concern, and him to be correct in his
>concern.  However, I don't know how to evaluate the magnitude of the
>error, which is the heart of his question.
>
>Jim
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