>Subject:     Re: How do I turn my DeltaCad design into reality? Machine cutt
>Sent:        22/9/20 9:05 am
>Received:    19/9/00 1:35 am
>From:        Bill Gottesman, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>             Sundial Mail List, [email protected]

Steve +

Photo-etching has been my preferred method of translating ideas into 
metal for some thirty years now with the addition of CNC engraving in the 
last three years.  Based on that experience the following thoughts may be 
of use to others.

Photoetching is WYSIWIG ('What you see is what you get') and can handle 
small dials up to about 12 inches with very fine detail using 'pie-dish' 
methods but it's not a process which works 'straight out of the box' and 
you may have to invest some time any money perfecting your skills.  
Beyond that size it may be wise to use companies equipped for the 
purpose.  Take care to discuss etching depth or you may get something 
which lloks good on completion but will weather away in just a few years 
outdoors.  

Your chosen photoetching company may be able to work directly from 
computer files but, if not, almost any graphic arts agency will convert 
Adobe Illustrator files to film masters.
Check to see if your photoetcher wants 'positive' or 'negative' film 
masters and clarify what they mean by this. i.e. white lines on clear or 
the other way round.  As Bill Gottesman has already indicated, 
Illustrator copes flawlessly with DeltaCad files although it was Mac 
Oglesby who first revealed that possibility to me.

CNC engraving became a necessity for me because my one-at-a-time 
photoetching process takes up to 12 hours and I had a contract for a 
large number of brass dials in an impossibly short time.  Its *apparent* 
advantage was that computer files would become brass sundials within 
minutes rather than hours and the files could be sent as email 
attachments rather than taken or sent on floppies.

Believe me, it is neither WYSIWIG nor foolproof as six spoiled plates of 
expensive 3/8" thick engraving brass can testify.  The human element 
enters the process in various ways beginning with the choice of engraving 
tool size. Even a very small tool will have problems with serifs on Roman 
numerals and the software may just dismiss them as impossible.  Very 
small tool tips break frequently and software set to operate in small 
increments takes much longer to complete the process so the pressure is 
on a commercial operator to use larger tools and shorter run times.  Then 
there is just plain human error like setting the datum to the bottom of 
the plate instead of the top for a 'pierced-right-through' sundial!  

I would NEVER trust a large piece of expensive material to CNC engraving 
unless I'd seen a practice piece cut in cheap MDF etc first of all.

In future I will continue to use photoetching for small dials with fine 
detail but for a large vertical dial set high up and necessitating thick 
hourlines and blocky numerals then CNC would be my preferred alternative. 
Although photoetching can reach half millimetre depth - which looks more 
than it sounds - CNC can theoretically go well beyond that, so for a 
large dial subject to heavy wear, e.g. at ground level with people 
walking on the plate, then CNC again comes into its own.

Tony Moss

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"

P.S.  I recently circulated a close-up JPEG illustrating etching depth to 
my JPEG sub-list.  If anyone not on the list would like a copy just let 
me know.

P.P.S.  Having sorted out the human error problem all of the spoiled six 
plates were eventually CNC engraved satisfactorily.


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