Hello Frank,

As I understand you have a vertical dial at latitude phi = 55 deg, declining
30 deg
to west.
In other words: phi = 55 , i = 90 and d = 30
Calculating the style height v, the substyle distance b and the substyle
hourangle ts I get:
v = -29.78
b = -160.70 ( or 19.30)
ts = 35.18
These are some different as you mention in your mail.
You easily may calculate this with Zw2000.

v also is the equivalent latiude where the dial is an horizontal dial.

This dial may be placed at latitude 90-29.78 = 60.22 deg as a vertical south
facing dial as in your decription.
The time offset of this dial is ts = 35.18 deg.
So place the dial at 35.18 deg west, mount a WEB camera to it and read at
your home your local time.
Show the pictures on the WEB and we may enjoy it too.....

Incline the dial with x extra degrees to use it at latitude 60.22 + x  but
leave it at 35.18 west.

Happy dialing, Fer.

Fer J. de Vries
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.iae.nl/users/ferdv/
Eindhoven, Netherlands
lat.  51:30 N      long.  5:30 E

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:20 PM
Subject: trivial pursuit


> Greetings, fellow dialists,
>
> Some fairly pointless thoughts and a question on vertical sundials.
>
> A south facing vertical sundial is fairly easily comprehended with its
> symmetrical hour lines showing the time from six to six and its vertical
> gnomon inclined to the wall at an angle of ninety degrees minus the
> latitude so that a dial at the equator would have its gnomon horizontal
> and one at the pole vertical.  But there is a little subtlety in a south
> facing dial and even more in a declining one.
>
> First, the six o'clock hour lines show sunrise and sunset only at the
> equinoxes, when the sun rises and sets east-west.  In the summer the
> rising and setting points are behind the wall since the sun rises and
> sets north of east-west and in the winter the sun rises later and sets
> earlier than six.  So in the winter, if those hour lines were not there
> we would hardly miss them except for interpolation with the hours of 7
> am and 5 pm.
>
> With the south facing dial the hour lines are, as noted, symmetrically
> grouped around twelve noon.  But more fundamentally, they are also
> symmetrically grouped around the gnomon.  Fundamentally, because hour
> lines are always grouped symmetrically around the gnomon, whether the
> dial faces south or not.
>
> In a dial which does not face south the style or shadow edge of the
> gnomon points (almost) to the pole star.  The angle between the style
> and the ground, if the style was long enough to reach the ground, is the
> latitude.  This angle is converted, or resolved, by dialists into two
> angles known in the hermetic jargon of the fraternity as style height
> and substyle distance.  Presumably these terms descend to us from the
> days when dialling brethren worked in chords, or lines drawn across a
> circle, instead of using protractors and pocket calculators or computers
> as we do today.  The substyle distance is the angular deflection of the
> gnomon from the vertical as would be seen in a full-face photograph.
> Around it the hour lines cluster symmetrically.  But what of the style
> height?  It is an angle sticking out of the wall at right angles to the
> plane of the dial plate but inclined to the vertical by the amount of
> the substyle distance.  The combination of style height and substyle
> distance defines the style and reflects the direction of the earth's
> axis.  Now it has been said that a dial may tell the correct time
> anywhere in the world where the sun shines so long as the dial plate and
> gnomon are in the same relation as in the place for which they were
> made.  Perhaps you remember the photograph that Mike Cowham once
> displayed of the English dial on the wall of the parish church in
> Stellenbosch in South Africa.  People laughed at the ignorance of the
> vicar who supposedly pinched the dial from his parish church on the
> English south coast and set it up there.  Of course, the sun goes round
> anticlockwise in the southern hemisphere so the hour lines read
> absurdly.  But if the dial were to be turned approximately horizontally
> to be in the plane of southern England it would tell the time well
> enough.
>
> What then of the style height.  We have said that the gnomon of a south
> facing dial sticks out of the wall at an angle of ninety degrees minus
> the latitude.  With a non-south facing dial it is at different angle.
> For instance, in my latitude, 55 deg. north the style height is 35 deg
> with a south wall but with a wall declining 30 deg from south it is
> about 17 deg.  Note that the longitude where I live is close to 0 deg.
> Let us now convey our 30 deg declining dial to latitude 73 deg north and
> make the gnomon vertical (substyle distance = 0deg)  Now the hour lines
> are clustered symmetrically around the gnomon as in a south-facing dial
> but they are telling the wrong time.  The error is the substyle
> distance, 31 deg,  in hours and minutes.  Can we correct this?  Simple.
> Just move the dial to 31 deg west and it's telling the right solar time,
> corrected for longitude.  My question, Chairman, is, are there
> intermediate points between 55 deg north 0 deg and 73 deg north, 31 deg
> west where the dial can also be made to tell the right time, and do
> these points lie on a great circle.  Please hasten with your replies as
> I am not sleeping at all well because of it all.
>
> Frank
>
> --
> Frank Evans
>






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