OK, that I can see - if you first project a (real) image of the Sun, then 
reflect a spot from that, you would be creating a very high magnification 
solar telescope, at the projection plane. Difficult to see a way to make  
this in any way a continuous motion, but it's definately a start! (I like 
the notion of "optical levers", by the way...)

Dave
37.29N 121.97W

On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Edley McKnight wrote:

> Hi Dave,
> 
> I'm sorry to be so poor at explaining this.  If you enlarge the image 
> of the sun either with a nonplanar mirror, or a lens, and then 
> reflect only a very small portion of that image focused on a spot far 
> away, yes, you have a small spot as it is only a very small portion 
> of the sun's image, and yes, you still have the magnified angle 
> information as the spot moves very rapidly.  When I was a child I 
> took a magnifying makeup mirror, a pile of hexagonal 1.5 cm mirrored 
> tiles, a photographic tripod and  a blob of modeling clay out about 
> 300 meters from our house ( before the landscaping was in ).  I hung 
> the makeup mirror around the tripod casting a magnified image of the 
> sun up about 2/3 meter to one of the small mirrored tiles.  I found a 
> couple of the tiles, being not really flat, would reflect a small 
> part of this magnified image as a spot on the corner of our house 
> which swept rapidly across the 15 meters or so of the surface when 
> held by the modeling clay at the top of the tripod.  By positioning 
> the assembly repeatedly, closer or farther away, I was able to have 
> the spot move across that distance within a few seconds of a minute.  
> ( winning a bet from my dad. )  
> 
> I understand this is not a full answer to the question of accuracy, 
> but it is a part of the answer, since angular movements of small 
> spots of light can be magnified.  It is a use of the principle of 
> optical levers, and there are more of them.  I mentioned the gnomon 
> and large sundial as another case of an optical lever.
> 
> Edley.
> 
> > I think I have to disagree here, Edley: A small mirror does indeed mimic a
> > pinhole aperture, and the resulting image would also move quickly along
> > the tangent surface. However, neither a plane mirror nor a pinhole
> > actually focusses the Sun's image! A pinhole "lens" works by limiting the
> > rays passed to a very small aperture angle; this results in rays from each
> > point on the Sun's surface falling on a distinct point on the image plane.
> > You end up with a large, dim image of the Sun, subtending 1/2 a degree
> > referenced to the "lens" to image distance.
> > 
> > While the "spot" would move 2.2 cm/sec (I'll use your numbers, untried!),
> > the spot would be 262 cm in diameter! Additionally, diffraction effects
> > would introduce a fuzziness to the edges of the solar image. I don't
> > remember the formulae offhand, but I suspect the edge would be spread over
> > considerably more than 2.2 cm.
> > 
> > Dave
> > 37.29N 121.97W
> > 
> > On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Edley McKnight wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Walter and Membership,
> > > 
> > > Accuracy again.
> > > 
> > > Increasing the surface movement of the shadow or spot of light by the
> > > means of optical levers allows very fine time measurements.
> > > 
> > > In our mind's eye we can fix a small mirror so that it reflects a 
> > > small part of the sun's image far out into space.  In seconds the 
> > > reflected image can move from star to star.  At that vast distance the
> > > surface rate of movement of the reflection is thousands of lightyears
> > > per second!
> > > 
> > > In general when we magnify the sun's image size on a surface we 
> > > increase the rate of movement of the image on that surface.  If we
> > > choose to only reflect a very small portion of that image, it still
> > > moves very fast, being a sensitive indicator of the angle of the sun's
> > > rays.  Thus, if the mirror were about 300 meters away from the surface,
> > > the spot reflection would move about 2.2 centimeters per second if the
> > > path of the refection were in the equatorial plane.
> > > 
> > > Of course that distance could be folded by reflecting from optically
> > > flat first surface mirrors so that a smaller device could measure small
> > > increments of time.
> > > 
> > > The larger sundials use an optical lever with it's fulcrum at the tip of
> > > the gnomon, thus increasing the rate of surface movement of the shadow. 
> > > A small opening, acting as a pinhole lens, can focus a spot of light and
> > > sharpen the image.
> > > 
> > > Enjoy the Light!
> > > 
> > > Edley McKnight
> > > 
> > > [43.126N 123.357W]
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 

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