Hi Steve,

The answer is yes,  to the question "can shadow plane dial be constructed to
show hours to sunset (Italian hours)?"   You can think of the plane for one
hour before sunset as the horizontal surface  15° to your west (oops - or is
that east??) on the earth and at your latitude.  A terrella would show this
plane nicely.  Two hours is the horizontal surface 30° away.

Maybe Mac Oglesby has caused me to think more in "planes" but the last issue
(December 2001) of the Compendium had some good articles on lines, planes
and surfaces.  Steve Luecking had some very nice graphics showing "planes".
Gianni Ferrani describes the kalieidoscope cube that allows light only in
certain planes to pass through.  Mac showed some student (hour plane) dials.
Fer had  an article on polar bifilar.  It helped me understand Fer when
Claude Hartman reported on the math work of Rafael Soler Gaya.  I am still
digesting page 5 on how to calculate the lines and planes.

Warren Thom ( 88W  42N)

> Edley mentioned hearsay of a window dial, thus:
>
> "[The source] said they carved out deep narrow notches which, when the sun
> fully filled the notch, it was that particular time".
>
> That's sounds very much like a shadow-plane dial, but reversed to use
> illumination rather than shadow as the indicator. But according to the
> report, these dials were used to indicate time left before supper. This
> situation got me thinking - could a shadow plane dial be constructed in
such
> a way as to show time since sunrise / time to sunset? The descriptions
I've
> read, as I remember them, all relate to modern hour markings.
>
> Steve
>
>

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