Hi John and all,

Be careful here. The chemistry is specific to the rock. Edley describes
experiments with "vitreous ceramics", specifically alumina. Corning Ware is
made from this tough stuff.  I believe your rock is sandstone, a sedimentary
rock. Although this is mostly silica sand grains which are impervious to
acids, the sand grains are cemented together in a matrix. The cement may be
silica and the rock a quartzite, on more likely it is a carbonate,
limestone, dolomite or iron carbonate. These carbonates are decomposed by
acids. If this happens, the cement between the grains is destroyed and you
get rapid erosion. Limestone, marble, sandstone, slate, granite and the
serpentine "Picture Rock" from Midway British Columbia are all different
chemically. These are listed in order of reactivity to acid attack, first on
the list are attacked by acids, the latter are not.

By the way the information that Patrick Powers provided on "Picture Rock"
was precise but not accurate. Right name but wrong quarry. The "Picture
Rock" from Midway BC is an igneous rock, serpentine with quartz veins. Gold
prospectors were looking for the mother lode in these epithermal chalcedonic
quartz veins. I believe your rock is sedimentary, a sandstone with iron
(hematite) staining and veins from an Arizona quarry.

Roger Bailey
Walking Shadow Designs
N 51  W 115

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Carmichael
Sent: October 30, 2002 7:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Eroded rock


Sandstone dust has a very salty taste.

Does that mean I should dip my stone blanks in acid before I engrave them to
protect them from further erosion? A scary thought!

When stone masons lay flagstone flooring, they often clean the unwanted
calcium carbonate deposits off the stone using dilute sulfuric acid and a
scrub brush.  But I have always been afraid to use H2SO4 on my stones,
fearing that it might damage the stone internally or cause the sedimentary
stone layers to separate.  I worry that this possible damage might take
years to show itself.  (But I observed no immediate damage to the stone when
I experimented with H2SO4, and it did do a very good job of cleaning the
stone.)

So you also have to be a chemist to make sundials, huh?

John

John L. Carmichael Jr.
Sundial Sculptures
925 E. Foothills Dr.
Tucson Arizona 85718
USA

Tel: 520-696-1709
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Edley McKnight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Eroded rock


> Hi Dialists,
>
> Awhile back, researching machining on vitreous ceramics, I came upon the
statement
> that most rock/ceramic surfaces have a much lowered surface strength when
the
> surface was alkaline and a much greater strength when acidic.  (It was in
a NASA
> report, but I don't remember the number ) Experiments showed that indeed
drilling
> speed was up to 7 times faster on alumina ceramics while in a solution of
a mild
> base such as borax than on a neutral surface.  A mild acidic solution such
as boric
> acid doubled the time of drilling.  Shear testing and microcrack
examination showed
> that the acid surface actually was both stronger and healed many
microcracks.  Even
> mild acetic acid made a great degree of difference.
> Shaping with sand-blasting obeyed a simular effect.  i.e. The surface
chemistry of
> the etched lines and their surrounds may be acidic enough to hold up to
erosion
> longer.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Edley McKnight
>
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