Hi John,

We are products of our environment. Mine is periglacial; yours is desert.
This conditions our outlook when we seek to explain natural phenomenon. It
is well known that both thermal expansion and freeze/thaw contribute to
erosion by weakening the surface of the rock. How much each effect
contributes depends on local conditions. We ended our postings with
predictions based on our theories. If the effect is confined to impact
carving of sedimentary rocks, I win. If the effect applies to non porous
igneous rocks and incised carving as well, you win. We need input from those
who have observed the phenomenon to help us here. In a discussion like this,
evidence and not well argued conjecture rules.

Here are a couple of observations that have conditioned my thinking.

1. The mountains that surround me are sedimentary rock, limestone, sandstone
and shale. Climbers consider it "rotten rock". It is shattered by
freeze/thaw and cannot be trusted to provide firm foot and hand holds.
Climbers prefer the solid granite of the Bugaboos in the mountains of
British Columbia.

2. The most solid mountains around here are synclines*, downward compressive
folds. The corresponding upward folded anticlines have been eroded away. As
you drive from Banff to Lake Louise, you are in a low valley that used to be
the highest part of the fold but it has been eroded away. You can see the
syncline structure of Castle Mountain. The compressed rock of the syncline
suffers much less erosion initiated by the freeze thaw cycle.

Cheers,

Roger Bailey
N 51 W 115
where we remember fold structure with the following philosophy. "Syn and you
go down."


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Sent: November 1, 2002 8:07 AM
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Subject: Re: Wind erosion of incised lettering.


Roger:

That's an interesting theory explaining why a stone's engraving weather less
than the surrounding stone and it might be true, but I doubt it.

You are correct about dust being created in the carving process and about it
getting into the surface pores, but it has been my experience that this dust
is very easily washed out of the pores with just a little water.  A light
rain would do that. So I don't think dust in the pores is significant.

But you are also correct that erosion is principally caused by freeze/thaw
periods.

Here's my theory:

Stones are big "Heat Sinks". They store heat well for a long time. When the
weather begins to freeze, the inside of the stone stays warm and the outside
of the stone freezes first. Therefore the face of the stone is expanding and
contacting more than the warmer inside.  Since the engraving are closer to
the interior they are subjected to less stress.

If my theory is correct, then this effect would show up on all types of
stones.


John

John L. Carmichael Jr.

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