bartman wrote:
> How 'bout another question;
> when does morning start and end. ie. is sunrise when the solar disk first
> breaks the horizon or when it clears the horizon? and to that respect
> would someone dare to put a technical defination to the term "gloaming" if

The definition below is from the US Naval Observatory:

Define sunrise as the time when the apparent altitude (H) of the upper limb of 
the Sun will be -50 arc minutes 
(34' for refraction + 16' for semidiameter). For the Moon, horizontal parallax 
must be ADDED to the value of H. 
Twilights are found for H = -6 degrees (civil), -12 degrees (nautical), and -18 
degrees (astronomical). Correct 
for height of the observer if not at sea level. 

The URL for the above is: http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/srss_comp.html

An interesting aside: the angle subtended by the Sun is around 30'(1/2 degree), 
the semidiameter being half 
this. The angle subtended by the Moon is around 30' too!, I've always thought 
it a fantastic coincidence how 
the two main objects in our sky happen to have very near the same angular 
value. 

I decline the call to arms to define gloaming.


regards,

luke

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