Hi Charlie.  Now I will have to try Clear Coat!  Your experiences take away my doubts about using it.  But I have one important question about your comments.
 
You said:
let me describe what I think is the ultimate protective coating - for most anything:
This is really simple.
    1)  Seal with Epoxy - the best sealer (with respect to water) known to man. (keeps a lot of boats afloat)
            West System - 105 Resin + 207 Hardener, 3:1 mix - Gougeon Bros. - www.westsystem.com
 
    2)  Top-Coat with Nason ClearCoat
 
Here's my question: When you say "Seal with Epoxy" are you talking about sealing a new unpainted surface like raw stone, wood or plaster before painting with color paints?  If the surface is not new and has already been sealed, would you eliminate this step?
 
If the surface is new, then shouldn't the steps be like this?:
 
    1)  Seal with Epoxy - the best sealer (with respect to water) known to man. (keeps a lot of boats afloat)
            West System - 105 Resin + 207 Hardener, 3:1 mix - Gougeon Bros. - www.westsystem.com
 
    2)  Paint with your Favorite Paint
 
    3)  Top-Coat with Nason ClearCoat
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: Fw: "ClearCoat" - Your beautiful painted dial

John,  Had trouble sending this to the list ??  Charlie
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 01 July, 2006 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: "ClearCoat" - Your beautiful painted dial

John, Thad,
 
I do use "Automotive ClearCoat" most every day.  My normal use is with wood, but I have also done stone (Crab Orchard "Quartzite" counter tops, bare metal (sandblasted) and even the giant leaves of the Paulownia tree.
 
This is a great product.  Virtually all new automobiles use the final ClearCoat as a protective layer over the color 'base-coat" (which is usually 'flat' i.e. no gloss) against abrasion and UV light.  It contains several UV blockers designed to protect the color of the base coat against UV degradation.
 
All the major paint companies offer this product.  I use the Nason brand produced by DuPont.  DuPont offers several varieties and they are for ever coming up with new variations.  Nason was a competitor of DuPont, which they bought several years ago.  It is less expensive than the other DuPont's and works fine ($90/gal. with activator).
 
    Nason "SelectClear"                                    Activator
    496-00                                                     483-78
 
This is a two part system - by volume - 4-parts SelectClear    to     1-part Activator
The mixture is very 'thin' (low viscosity) and mixes easily.
Pot life is several hours - depending on temperature - will cure at even below freezing temperatures.
I normally spray it - but it can also be applied with a brush, roller or even by dipping the object.
    The low viscosity allows one to use a simple "gravity Cup-Gun".
After application it cures rapidly - "dust-free" in a few minutes - "touchable" in 15 minutes - do what you want to in 2 hours.
You can lay it on heavy the first coat (once you figure out what the "run" point is) and you can add a second (or more) coats
    while it is still tacky - like say 10 minutes.  Remember - the curing process is not 'evaporation' but instead 'polymerization'.
DuPont also sells an "Adhesion Promoter" #222 - that is sprayed on before the ClearCoat and allows an even heavier application
    without 'running'.
 
This product is designed to "protect paint' which should work well for you.  I have used it over most every paint you can think of, even the cheap latex variety.
 
While I am preaching - let me describe what I think is the ultimate protective coating - for most anything:
This is really simple.
    1)  Seal with Epoxy - the best sealer (with respect to water) known to man. (keeps a lot of boats afloat)
            West System - 105 Resin + 207 Hardener, 3:1 mix - Gougeon Bros. - www.westsystem.com
 
    2)  Top-Coat with Nason ClearCoat
 
    Job Done !!  The epoxy should be light-sanded (180 grit) before the topcoat.  The epoxy is the best sealer but is sensitive to
        UV degradation and is relatively (can be scratched).  The Nason ClearCoat adds the UV protection and scratch resistance.
 
my 2 cents worth,
 
Charlie
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 01 July, 2006 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Your beautiful painted dial

Hi Thad:
 
you asked:
Have you looked into clear spray-on fixatives that would seal and prolong wear?  I've only used the inside "artists" fixatives so I'm not sure what is out there for outside use.
 
No, I haven't investigated any spray-on fixatives.  But in past discussions on painted sundials, some people mentioned using a product called "Clear Coat".  Apparently it is used on top of automobile paint.  But I'm scared to use anything like that without more knowledge about it.  Does anybody else have experience using it I wonder? 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Your beautiful painted dial

John,
 
Have you looked into clear spray-on fixatives that would seal and prolong wear?  I've only used the inside "artists" fixitives so I'm not sure what is out there for outside use. 
 
Repainting is something I always think about when I see detailed work like yours, what a chore it would be, and how to best prolong it.
 
Best,
 
Thad
 

John Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Frederick:

You asked:
What type of paints did you use and how long to you expect them to
last?

Good question! I have always been a big fan of oil-based enamels for
exterior painting, but after consulting with several sundial artists in
Europe and the paint guys at Lowes and Home Depot, they all convinced me to
use high grade elastomeric acrylic house paint, matte finish. I used a
brand from Lowes called "American Tradition".

I have no idea how long the paint will last. I hope it will last a long time
because I pity the guy who will have to repaint it if ever needs it! This
organic paint will certainly not last as long as kiln-fired ceramic or
vitreous glass paints like porcelain.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Jaggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "John Carmichael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 7:00 AM
Subject: Your beautiful painted dial


> Hi John:
> I enjoyed seeing your new dial. I'm e mailing this question to you
> directly because I'm not sure how to mail to the list.
> My question is:
> what type of paints did you use and how long to you expect them to last.
> I see many pictures of European painted dials, many of them very old, and
> I wonder what type of paints they use on, I guess, plaster or stone.
> Please send any reply to the list as I'm sure others have the same
> question.
>
> Thanks
> Fred Jaggi
> Cranston RI
>


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