Hi Carl, Mac and all,

Whatever material is used cannot have any coating over the printing, nor any 
ink sticking up, 
nor any printing impressions as they all disturb the shadow line a lot at such 
oblique edges. It 
must also be very smooth, of a uniform thickness, quite opaque and very bright, 
maybe 
flourescent as well as really water and weatherproof (both the material and the 
inks). That is 
why I have tried Sublimation Dye Transfer Printing and Tyvek.  The tests I ran 
with Tyvek 
used cooled Tyvek and a heated dye transfer sheet on our transfer press.  Tyvek 
does melt 
at normal dye transfer temperatures. I've mounted it around a very smooth, 
polished 
stainless steel tube, slotted on the back side for the tensioning. It worked 
well to start with but 
has faded and I'm now told by Dupont that under constant weather exposure Tyvek 
10 ( the 
hard stuff )  is only good for maybe 6 months.  All the outdoor sign people 
I've talked to. ( Not 
many, we are in a small town ) seem to use various Vinyl sheets, including 
Billboards.  I 
guess it is like some Marine Epoxy I bought, advertised as Waterproof.  The 
small print says 
not for constant immersion in water, nor aquarium usage. 

Some of you folks that live in larger towns with many printers could maybe 
check this out for 
us.  If so, thanks in advance.

Edley.

> Hello Mac,
> 
> I have an idea that you might want to try.  It appears that what may
> work is a very thin protective coating.  The laminations and overlays
> are probably all quite thick.  You could make your sundial from
> regular paper and spray a clear coat on the surface.  The protective
> coating used on cars might work. I don't know if you can buy this in a
> spray can but perhaps you may know someone at a body shop.  If they
> were willing to spray a couple of sundials for you it could be done so
> one has a very thin coating and another a thicker coating.  This would
> give you an indication of how the thickness of the clear coat affects
> the terminator.
> 
> There is also a special clear coat that can be sprayed on outdoor
> murals and allows you to remove graffiti.  But I know this stuff is
> quite expensive.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Carl
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mac Oglesby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 6:25 PM
> To: Carl & Barbara Sabanski
> Cc: Sundial List
> Subject: RE: Waterproof papers
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Carl,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >If the cylinder azimuth sundial was printed on normal paper and then
> >laminated that would give a durable dial.
> 
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion.
> 
> Alas, in my tests, an azimuth cylinder sundial with a laminated paper
> dial face does not have a good light/shadow boundary. I have tried
> laminations and overlays of different thicknesses. It seems that even
> a very thin layer of any transparent surface seriously deteriorates
> the terminator.
> 
> A vinyl dial face, as printed by a commercial sign shop, seemed like a
> great way to create a durable azimuth cylinder sundial, but the
> terminator is weak.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Mac
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