Dear Patrick:

I completely agree with you Patrick!  Tubular gnomons are good.  And I think
your comment directly pertains to the shadow tapering problem.  In fact,
using tublar gnomons could be the best solution to the shadow tapering
problem. If you make the dial with a tublular gnomon, and you design the
face so that the time is read from the center of the shadow instead of the
edges of the gnomon's shadow, then you eliminate the Noon Gap. Do you think
this is the best solution?  At least it doesn't violate gnomonic rules as
the other solutions do.

Thanks for your comments!  They are valuable to this discussion.

John

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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:40 AM
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Subject: FW: Shadow Tapering

>When I did this with the big dial I first set out a parallel noon gap near
the plate edge expecting the shadow to fill this at noon!!  It was only
when I came to observe this in sunlight that I found the apparent shadow
was less than 10" wide because of the umbra/penumbra effect.  The shadow
was *tapered* of course and so should the noon gap lines be too. <

Hi John, This is not really a comment on Tony's very important observation
about large dials with solid triangular gnomons but just a note to say that
if the gnomon is instead made tubular then, because time assessment is then
made from the centre of the resulting shadow and not from an edge, the
observed umbra-penumbra does not affect time measurement in the same way -
unless of course the dial is too large for the gnomon's diameter - by which
point there is no umbra at all at the point of the chapter ring.  Large
dials designed with tubular gnomons can in fact be remarkably accurate and
their timescales can be predictably calculated too.

Regards

Patrick

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