Dear Mario, Gianni and other Friends, I found today a ancient codex written in Wien (not sure), dated 1508 in which i see very much quadrants, astrolabe and sundials (many quadrants unknowed) without description, but some word for the pictures. For the "Cylindri Horarii", the horis are named "Horis Italicis". This shown that in the 1508, out Italy, someone used the name "Italicis" for the italian hours!
Gianni was not as wrong! Greetings Nicola ---------- Initial Header ----------- >From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : "sundial" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc : Date : Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:46:04 +0200 Subject : Re: equal and unequal hours > I think, Severino is right. Actually I never found in the first texts the > attribute "Italian" nor "Italic" (I mean medieval texts, usually > chronicles). In the half of the 14th c. I've found only the attribute > "complete". The attribute "Italian" or "Italic" was used surely by not > Italian people that need to give a name to the hour system used in Italy. > Like us in Italy called the European hours "French" or "German" or also > "Spanish". > Because the Italic hour system was used also in many other countries at that > times, people next these countries called them "Polish hours" or > "Czechoslovakian hours" etc. > > Mario > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "gfmerid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "sundial" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: equal and unequal hours > > > > > > Dear Gianni, > > > > the term "Italic" was not associated in the first time at the "Italian > > Hours". I believe in the first time the "italian hours" was named simply > > "ab occasum Solis". Because this hours was used spcially in Italy, in a > > second time was named "Italian hours". In the gomonic books written in > > Latin, the "italian hours" are named "ab occasum solis" and that this > > hours are used most in Italy. In the text not in Latin language, we read > > "Italian Hours". > > .... > > until > >> the end of the XVIII century almost all the scientific texts (and also > >> the > >> gnomonic's ones) were written in Latin. > > > > > > I believe that only in part. Valentino Pini, Oddi Muzio, and others > > written about the gnomonica in italian, but many scientific text are > > written also in italian. > > Best regards > > Nicola > > > > > > ---------- Initial Header ----------- > > > >>From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To : "LISTA INGLESE" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc : > > Date : Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:48:52 +0200 > > Subject : Re: equal and unequal hours > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Mario Catamo has suggested me that very probably the term "Italic" (in > >> Italic hours) comes from the Latin word "Italicus" (that means > >> "Italian"), that the word "Italianus" doesn't exist in Latin and that > >> until > >> the end of the XVIII century almost all the scientific texts (and also > >> the > >> gnomonic's ones) were written in Latin. > >> > >> I think he is right ! > >> > >> > >> > >> Best wishes > >> > >> Gianni Ferrari > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > --------------------------------------------------- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
