Hi All:
Why do people in the 21st century incorrectly continue to say "the sun moves" across the sky?
We know the sun is generally and at all times in the same spot.
The truth, as we know and accept, is the earth moves. All of the phenomena that happens because of the daily rotation and the year long trip around the orbit is fascinating and proves how wrong was the idea that the sun moves. It's not that our eyes give wrong information but that the mind came to very wrong conclusions because of wrong conclusions about the information. Wrong ideas are serious and to be avoided. Wrong ideas about the moving earth and stationary sun got Bruno burned at the stake and Galileo thrown in prison but the truth about the universe finally came out. Perhaps it's easier to explain to children that the sun is moving but why not explain to them as early as possible that the sun is in the same spot, just like everything stays in the same spot as they move? They would grasp the idea that shadows of the same things are different depending where they are on the globe. They would learn the correct way to think about so many phenomena, especially about sundials, instead of the age-old wrong ways.

Regards and enjoy the coming solstice.
Bill O'Neill
Holland, PA. USA

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  1. Re: Alternative mapping sites (Richard Mallett)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:18:56 +0000
From: Richard Mallett <[email protected]>
To: "J. Tallman" <[email protected]>
Cc: Sundial Mailing List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Alternative mapping sites
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On 18/11/2011 17:02, J. Tallman wrote:

Hello All,

I've received a lot of gracious help from this list over the 13+ years
I have belonged to it, so when I find something I think might be
useful to list members I feel compelled to contribute.

I'm still looking for alternative mapping/satellite photo sites in an
effort to better serve my non-dialist Spectra customers who are not
inclined to do remote declination shadow measurements for me. Today I
found this one, and it has much more recent photography than Google
Earth/Maps for the neighborhood I am seeking, but I still haven't
found what I need. It may or may not be useful in all places, but I
never heard of it before, so here you go:

http://maps.nokia.com

Again, if anyone knows of good alternative mapping sites to try when
GE is lacking, constructive suggestions would be appreciated...and
thank you to all those list members who have taken the time to help me
with questions in the past -- I appreciate it!

Best,

Jim Tallman

www.spectrasundial.com

www.artisanindustrials.com <http://www.artisanindustrials.com/>

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>



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I certainly like this one better than the other one.

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:45:53 -0800
From: Woody Sullivan <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: the sun is out right now in Seattle! -  live webcam view of
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Dear list:  I couldn't resist - it happens so rarely in December near
declination -23 deg! - Woody

http://sunny.astro.washington.edu

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Dear gnomonic world,

We are pleased to announce the public launch of our SundialCam website

http://sunny.astro.washington.edu

at which you can see a live image, updated once per minute (even at
night!), of the large wall dial on the Physics/Astronomy Building of
the University of Washington, Seattle, USA. It is the only such
active webcam in the world, and we know that some of you will want to
stare at it for hours on end (or at least bookmark it...). You can
monitor not only the time in Seattle, but also the weather - once in
a while we have been known to have some rain (although it's clear
right now and the there's a lunar eclipse underway!).
The website has many features including our first two
time-lapse movies, of the all-day shadow on the summer solstice and
on the autumn equinox. (We also link to many other sundial time-lapse
movies done by others in the past.) There are also details of the
webcam setup, the dial itself, sundials in general, etc.
We will be adding time-lapses over the coming months,
including eventually all-year-long analemmas. We will also shortly be
improving the present camera so as to have higher-resolution images
and more reliabilty. If we should be off-line when you check (it
happens once in a while), please check again after a day.
We look forward to feedback from the international gnomonic
community, as well as information on any links we may have missed to
other such efforts now or in the past.

Cheers, Woody Sullivan & Ian Smith

++++++++++++++++++

Seattle Sundial Trail:   http://www.sundials.co.uk/~seattle.htm

       What you seek is but a shadow
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Prof. Woodruff T. Sullivan, III
Dept.  of Astronomy & Astrobiology Program  Box 351580
Univ. of Washington                                      tel.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:59:34 +1100
From: "John Pickard" <[email protected]>
To: "Richard Mallett" <[email protected]>, "Sundial List"
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Alternative mapping sites
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Good morning,

For various parts of Australia, NearMap offers high-res imagery with amazing detail. They apparently take their own air photos, and for some areas, they have a time-series of earlier imagery.

Home page: https://www.nearmap.com/welcome-new (log-in for personal use)

Areas covered: http://files.nearmap.com/public/website/NearMap-PhotoMap-Coverage.pdf

With the huge expansion of mining in Australia, their new coverage of mining areas in NW Western Australia is impressive.

Cheers, John

John Pickard
[email protected]

----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Mallett
 To: J. Tallman
 Cc: Sundial Mailing List
 Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:18 AM
 Subject: Re: Alternative mapping sites


 On 18/11/2011 17:02, J. Tallman wrote:
   Hello All,



I've received a lot of gracious help from this list over the 13+ years I have belonged to it, so when I find something I think might be useful to list members I feel compelled to contribute.



I'm still looking for alternative mapping/satellite photo sites in an effort to better serve my non-dialist Spectra customers who are not inclined to do remote declination shadow measurements for me. Today I found this one, and it has much more recent photography than Google Earth/Maps for the neighborhood I am seeking, but I still haven't found what I need. It may or may not be useful in all places, but I never heard of it before, so here you go:



   http://maps.nokia.com



Again, if anyone knows of good alternative mapping sites to try when GE is lacking, constructive suggestions would be appreciated.and thank you to all those list members who have taken the time to help me with questions in the past - I appreciate it!





   Best,



   Jim Tallman

   www.spectrasundial.com

   www.artisanindustrials.com

   [email protected]




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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:30:17 +1030
From: Peter Mayer <[email protected]>
To: John Pickard <[email protected]>
Cc: Sundial List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Alternative mapping sites
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Hi John,

Thanks for the link.  It's quite amazing, at least for Oz: MUCH better
than GE!

best wishes,

Peter

On 13/12/2011 09:29, John Pickard wrote:
Good morning,
For various parts of Australia, NearMap offers high-res imagery with
amazing detail. They apparently take their own air photos, and for some
areas, they have a time-series of earlier imagery.
Home page: https://www.nearmap.com/welcome-new (log-in for personal use)
Areas covered:
http://files.nearmap.com/public/website/NearMap-PhotoMap-Coverage.pdf
With the huge expansion of mining in Australia, their new coverage of
mining areas in NW Western Australia is impressive.
Cheers, John
John Pickard
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Richard Mallett <mailto:[email protected]>
    *To:* J. Tallman <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Cc:* Sundial Mailing List <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:18 AM
    *Subject:* Re: Alternative mapping sites

    On 18/11/2011 17:02, J. Tallman wrote:

    Hello All,

    I?ve received a lot of gracious help from this list over the 13+
    years I have belonged to it, so when I find something I think
    might be useful to list members I feel compelled to contribute.

    I?m still looking for alternative mapping/satellite photo sites in
    an effort to better serve my non-dialist Spectra customers who are
    not inclined to do remote declination shadow measurements for me.
    Today I found this one, and it has much more recent photography
    than Google Earth/Maps for the neighborhood I am seeking, but I
    still haven?t found what I need. It may or may not be useful in
    all places, but I never heard of it before, so here you go:

    http://maps.nokia.com

    Again, if anyone knows of good alternative mapping sites to try
    when GE is lacking, constructive suggestions would be
    appreciated?and thank you to all those list members who have taken
    the time to help me with questions in the past ? I appreciate it!

    Best,

    Jim Tallman

    www.spectrasundial.com

    www.artisanindustrials.com <http://www.artisanindustrials.com/>

    [email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>



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