Doug,

   1. You could do what the Egyptians and the Greeks did 1500 years
   earlier. Use a mural quadrant in the meridian to establish the greatest and
   least altitude of the noon sun ( from this you could calculate the orbital
   inclination and your latitude) and mark the mid altitude. You then sit and
   count the days between each instant that the midday sun attains this
   altitude in spring. You could refine the measurement by noting the altitude
   for several days and interpolating to determine the moment of equinox.
   After just a few years you would determine that the length of the tropical
   year is about 3651/4 days and the longer you observed the more precise this
   figure would become. You could also use an equatorial ring to make the
   observations which should make direct observation of daytime equinoxes
   possible but this would be more difficult to construct accurately.
   2. If you were equipped with a transit telescope and a means of
   recording transits to the second, then you could adopt the same procedure
   as the ancients but your results would converge more rapidly on the true
   length of the tropical year.

Best wishes,

Geoff

On 18 February 2017 at 18:07, Douglas Bateman <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Given that this group has experts on the calendar and the earth’s orbit, I
> have a couple of questions.
>
> 1. Assuming that I was living a 1000 years ago, and had unlimited time
> watching the sun and stars (and *without prior knowledge*) how would I
> notice that each year was growing by about a quarter of a day?
>
> 2. Assuming that in 1850s I had access to a good transit telescope, and a
> reasonable clock (daily errors about 1 second a day), how would I refine
> the quarter of a day into several decimal places?
>
> These questions have been prompted by a debate in horological circles that
> the astronomers in the 1800s could have benefited by having a clock that
> was better than a second a month. My own view is that the 1 second a day
> was adequate because the clock is only put to use for *differential*
> measurements in time between frequent ‘clock stars’ each night and the
> transits of interest. Neglecting cloudy periods for the sake of argument.
>
> I look forward to receiving good advice.
>
> Regards, Doug
>
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