Hi again,

A big 'thank you' to everyone who replied to my inquiry about phone compasses and the setting in place of two posts. Responses are summarized below.

- A couple of people suggested that I should use specialist equipment such as theodolites or astrocompasses. Unfortunately, I neither own one of those nor know anyone locally who does, and the daily rental fee for a theodolite is well beyond my budget (~ $100 / day).

- A couple of other people suggested using a hiking compass. Since posting my original inquiry, I have borrowed one and, after a bit of fiddling around, I got it calibrated for the local magnetic declination. In practice, I found it difficult to use the compass for judging whether my two posts were lined up as required. Once I had both posts installed however, I got a reassuring compass reading  indicating they were aligned as required.

- The third approach is Kevin Karney's suggestion to use Google Earth to measure the position of the sundial and of a reference point, so that I could get a reference bearing. This, coincidentally, is a technique that I had referred to in a talk at last month's NASS conference; it's also the basis of the method I ended up using to put my second post in place today (but I used Google Maps). I was able to estimate the position of my dial very precisely and, fortuitously, Google Maps showed a convenient landmark exactly north of the dial location at about 30m distance. By standing at that landmark and using a pair of binoculars, it was fairly easy to line up my second post on the line to my first post. I had prepared a large hole in about the right place so I just had to call to my assistant to move the post by a centimeter  or two at a time, until we were happy with the placement. A light tap on a nail then fixed the post in place against a temporary support, and I have now set it in place with concrete.

With respect to the specific question of the directional accuracy achievable with a cell phone:

- Responses were contradictory. Richard Langley reported that he estimated his phone's compass to show bearings good to within about 1 degree; I used the borrowed hiking compass to make the same comparison, and also found that my phone matches to within about a degree. On the other hand, a number of people reported having found discrepancies of up to 20 degrees between magnetic compass and cell phone. Clearly, the calibration state of the phone effects the accuracy achieved; I suspect the make and model does too.

- I wanted to double check the accuracy value that I had found for my phone. Now, it so happens that according to Google Maps a section of road that runs near my home is exactly North-South. My phone runs iOS; there is an iOS app called Theodolite that overlays the phone's camera with orientation information. So, I positioned myself over the edge of the sidewalk and used the app to sight the same edge at about 100m distant. It gave a bearing of 359 degrees (in one degree steps) so assuming the sidewalk is actually true NS, then his method also suggests my phone is good to about a degree.

- I have looked on the web for manufacturer's specifications, but have not found the required details.

- I found an academic study which suggests that a sample of 2013-era iPhones were found to match compasses to within about 4 degrees. The study mentions work by a different group who had investigated Andriod devices and found greater discrepancies. Note, the study relates to phones in use in 2013, and I don't know how relevant it would be to today's phones. ["Structural data collection with mobile devices" by Richard W. Allmendinger, Chris R. Siron, and Chelsea P. Scott / Journal of Structural Geology v. 102, pp. 98-112]

Cheers,
Steve














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*From: *Steve Lelievre <mailto:steve.lelievre.can...@gmail.com>
*Sent: *September 11, 2018 12:39 PM
*To: *Sundial List <mailto:sundial@uni-koeln.de>
*Subject: *How good is a cell phone compass


How good is a cell phone compass? I mean, if I have no metal nearby and

I have the phone set to show True North, what kind of accuracy can I

expect if I lay my phone flat and use the compass app?


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