Dear Frank,

in the context of cataloging thousands of sundials in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland we came to the following abbreviations for sundials of type II:

i) WOZ(G)

Here, G is for the city of Görlitz, which is located 15° E. To designate the correction during DST we wrote: WOZ(G)+1

This abbreviation is used in the printed location compilation (released back in 1994): Sonnenuhren - Deutschland und Schweiz (ISBN 3923422121).

ii) WOZ(15°) / WOZ(15° ö.L.)

As Görlitz is a city in Germany, people from Austria and Switzerland would not be so happy with it to see it for their sundials. Therefore, this more neutral version was chosen later. The correction during DST can be designated either as WOZ(15°)+1 or WOZ(30°). In the Austrian sundial sites compilation it is written simply as: WOZ(15)

Throughout gnomonica.de (presumed to be the largest database of sundial locations) we use: WOZ(15° ö.L.)

ö.L. is the abbreviation for eastern longitude.

Best regards

Daniel


Am 02.12.2019 um 16:23 schrieb Frank King:

Dear Kurt,

Many thanks for your help.  I shall try to remember Gmünd as an important place and, like Greenwich, it begins with 'G' :-)

You have four abbreviations: WOZ, MOZ, MEZ, MESZ

We agree that the English equivalents are LAT, LMT, CET, CEST.

My thesis is that we need two more names for times. Here is why...

Suppose you have three sundials at 10° E  (in Hamburg?) which is 5° west of Gmünd. Sun time in Hamburg is therefore 20 minutes earlier than sun time in Gmünd.

Sundial I: this is a traditional sundial.  It shows WOZ/LAT. It is 20 minutes early compared with a traditional sundial in Gmünd.

Sundial II: this allows for 5° of longitude difference and shows WOZ/LAT at Gmünd. We have no simple description for this in German or English?  Could we call it GOZ for Gmünd Ortszeit?!!   Unfortunately, this would not be understood by anyone except you and me!

Sundial III: this is a modern sundial with analemmas as hour lines and it could be set up to show MOZ/LMT at Hamburg OR it could be set up to show MEZ/CET (which is MOZ/LMT at Gmünd) and, of course, it could alternatively show MESZ/CEST.

Summary: we can describe the time on Sundial I or Sundial III (all three versions) but I want to describe the time on Sundial  II.

Most new sundials in the USA and many new sundials in England show 'WOZ/LAT on the reference meridian'.  I find it strange that there is no well-known description.

Very best wishes
Frank

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 at 19:02, <[email protected] <http://gmail.com>> wrote:

    Dear Frank,

    I think the most important thing is:

    WOZ (LAT) does not comply to an absolute position: it always
    defines the
    local time defined by the local Sun position only. So WOZ (LAT) in
    Grieskirchen is different from WOZ (LAT) in Greenwich or from WOZ
    (LAT) in
    Gmünd/Lower Austria which is exactly at 15° East meridian.

    Whereas MEZ is defined as MOZ at the 15° East meridian.

    WOZ, MOZ, MEZ, MESZ just exist in the German language.

    I did not know about the other meaning of WOZ resp. FET in
    international
    terms. I think it is "semiofficial".

    The longitude offset from 0° in my terms is calculated by the EoL
    - the
    equation of longitude:
        EoL = LONGITUDE [°] / 15° * 60 min.

    We all know about the second parameter which is the EoT - the
    equation of
    time:
        EoT is about +/-15 min depending on the season.

    And finally:
        LAT = UTC + EoL + EoT.

    Yes, there are another abbreviations running by sundial builders
    and time
    keepers and so.

    Regards
    Kurt


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