On 6/20/06, Dave McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   *laugh*   Interesting, I have remote console access for my unmanned
sites, but you'd better believe the first person who takes the ASCII
terminals out of those rooms will be looking for a job the next day.

I'm with you 100% on that one.
At every large company I've worked, all Unix systems were accessible
via terminal-servers.
Some of the sites had terminals in the server room for local
administration when you needed it (ie: replacing drives, upgrading
RAM, server installations, etc.).
I was amazed that some of the sites didn't have them... and required
you use "hyperterminal" via a USB to serial adaptor. I can't imagine a
more painful method of administering a Unix system.

I felt bad for the windows admins... they outnumbered us Unix geeks by
between 2:1 and 20:1 (depending on the site) even though the number of
Unix servers was the same or greater... we always had time to do
actual work while they were constantly having to run to the server
room to reboot a windows "server" because they couldn't reach the GUI
remotely.

   My original point, however, is that servers in a datacenter are a
very bad place for graphical consoles.  Is my opinion on this matter
commonly held?  Nope.  Do people laugh at me for it?  Yes, on occasion.
  Do the companies I work for clamor all over themselves for the uptime
stats that I deliver to their production groups?  Yup.

I, personally, find a "server" that requires a GUI to be a bit more
than a bit humorous. :)
Whenever I see how horribly inefficient it is for my coworkers to
administer their windows boxes
click-wait-click-wait-click-try_and_find_the_next_place_to_click...
ARG!
Cygwin is the only thing that keeps me sane when using windows at work.
What a coworker was doing that would have taken hours took me a few
seconds with the bash shell on the same box.
A GUI is _not_ efficient at all... it is just slightly easier to
_learn_ because it is less intimidating.

-Kevin
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