On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:20:17 -0500 "Quayle, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll second that motion. > > I've deployed and have been running Blastwave KDE on Sun Ray on > Solaris 10/SPARC. While Blastwave is a great package deployment > tool, it sure is frustrating to have the packages lag so far behind > other platforms. > > We've found KDE to be much faster, responsive, and configurable than > Gnome. A large part of our Sun Ray deployment is to a group of users > with desktops controlled using the KDE kiosk utilities. We limit > their ability to modify menus, desktop wallpaper, transparency, > etc... to improve the responsiveness of the desktop, and it has > worked great. > > SunView was fast and lightweight. (It had to be on that 16MHz 68020 > hardware:-) > OpenWindows was slower, with more overhead. (Welcome to the world of X.) > CDE was slower yet. Let's not talk about the bloat here... > GNOME takes slow and bloated to a new level. It's the Win XP of the > UNIX/Linux world. > KDE is lean, configurable, and open. > > We compared GNOME/JDS to KDE on the Sun Ray, and KDE was clearly the > right way to go. > > I'll match your .02 euro with a buck and a half (or whatever the > exchange rate is today...) Let me add my .02 euro I provide CDE, Gnome and KDE for my users and all three have their friends. (And this choice is much more important to my users than the Solaris/Linux choice.) For my own needs, all three are bloated. I could still live happily with fvwm or twm. But some time ago I decided to use Gnome in order to have the necessary everyday experience to help my users. My preference for Gnome was mainly a matter of taste. You can't argue about taste but in my eyes KDE looks ugly. (Of course you can also uglify Gnome by trying to imitate Microsoft, as the JDS theme proves.) If someone of our students here in Germany already has some Unix experience, chances are high that he knows the KDE desktop. This is mainly due to the dominant role of the SuSE Linux distribution, which was a German company before Novell took over and which delivered KDE as default desktop (again, before Novell took over. Now it provides both desktops on an equal footing). This may change with the increasing popularity of Ubuntu. >From my point of view as a sysadmin, CDE users are the easiest. There are practically no problems. No leftover (or even 100%cpu run-away) dcopserver or artsd (KDE) or gconfd or bonobo (Gnome) daemons. No "I can't login anymore" phone calls which I can only solve by deleting the users $HOME/.kde, $HOME/.gconfd,...whatever... directories. In my opinion, KDE and Gnome are in the same league concerning bloatedness, stability and configurability. I don't see that Gnome is more bloated than KDE. Looking at memory consumption, responsiveness or installation complexity, I don't see much difference. Startup time is quite a bit smaller for Gnome. But this are subjective statements, I didn't do any real measurements. I also find that Gnome is quite good to configure at the sysadmin level, if you get used to gconftool-2. It has, e.g., a clear concept of "default" and "mandatory" settings, so you can also forbid wallpapers, transparency and so on. For Gnome kiosk configuration, this may be interesting: <http://library.gnome.org/admin/deployment-guide/> or <http://www.linux.com/feature/62060> And a last remark about KDE: During my futile googling for nice KDE/Solaris packages, I found this blog <http://people.fruitsalad.org/adridg/bobulate/index.php?/categories/1-KDE> from one of the guys (the guy?) working hard on KDE4 for OpenSolaris. This is the best and most informative place I found about KDE4+Opensolaris. Regards, Meik -- Meik Hellmund Mathematisches Institut, Uni Leipzig e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.math.uni-leipzig.de/~hellmund _______________________________________________ SunRay-Users mailing list [email protected] http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
