On 6/28/03 2:05 PM, Cyrillius J. Maximus posted:

>This is my last post on this issue
>
>I need to be more clear
>
>Once again  the reason i posted was because i am tired of mac hailing
>the new thing at the lowest price and advertising the best specs and
>selling the lowest price

The company is Apple. The computer is a Mac.

>True true  there are no pci-x cards for mac  but there are pci cards
>that can take advantage of a higher bus speed   limiting the 2 thousand
>dollar model to 33 mhz is ridiculous

Then don't buy one.

>The reason i pointed out the ram issue seems to have eluded everyone
>here  for the most part  before now you could buy the cheaper mac and
>upgrade it yourself to the highest spec  this is not true for the
>cheapest G5....

That is correct. The entire system must be matched to the CPU.

>Also  before now cpu speed hasn't been solely dependent on the fsb
>multiplier which means all apple is doing is making one chip and
>different motherboards that support different bus speeds before it was
>dependent on the clock this allowed apple to use one chip and overclock
>it to gain higher speeds  whether they are doing this or not i am not
>saying but  it is weird how the cpu speed jumps in direct collation with
>the cpu speed.

IBM makes the PowerPC 970 (G5) chip, not Apple. The PPC 970 can only run 
at double FSB speed, so any overclocking could have to be done to both 
the CPU and the memory bus at the same time -- if the G5 motherboard even 
allows such to be done.

That said, Apple has not sold *any* computer has having a CPU upgrade 
path for years -- let alone ever supporting overclocking.

>The Pentium 4 at 2 ghz never was advertised to be the end all and run
>nearly as fast the the 3Ghz model

We've always known the 3 GHz speed was more hype than reality. With the 
G5, Apple has the superior processor and the superior memory 
architecture. The memory bus is so fast that there's no need for a level 
3 cache -- system RAM is accessed as fast as L3 memory is on most 
computers.

Intel's television ads certainly tried to position the P4 as the only CPU 
that would provide "out of this world" performance. And the reason Intel 
never publishes CPU comparisons is that AMD takes them to the cleaner 
every time.

Benchmarks show Intel CPUs and Microsoft operating systems for the 
inferior products they are.

>And i don't think the listmon should get so personal with users  if i am
>attacking someone  kick me off  but if i am stating facts and straighten
>up some unclear facts that are going around   what can you really say
>besides

Then please get your facts straight. Like who makes the Mac and who makes 
the CPU.

It's been 24 hours -- lets hope we can put this thread to rest now.

Dan the listmom

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