David E. Ross wrote, On 06/08/2013 05:22:
On 8/5/13 5:08 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
David E. Ross wrote, On 06/08/2013 01:51:
On 8/5/13 9:59 AM, hawker wrote:
On 8/5/2013 12:37 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
hawker wrote:
On 8/2/2013 8:14 PM, MCBastos wrote:
Interviewed by CNN on 02/08/2013 18:28, Paul B. Gallagher told the world:
hawker wrote:
No I have a problem that the way SeaMonkey takes clipboard data from
an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that SeaMonkey
WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went
from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is SeaMonkey
that seems to mangle it. This is a SeaMonkey issue not MS. My guess
is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in SeaMonkey.
Probably not. SeaMonkey is probably being too obedient and capturing all
the garbage codes Word supplies instead of stripping them out. For
example, I tried pasting one sentence from a Word 2010 document into an
HTML composition window in SeaMonkey, and I got this:
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=ISO-8859-1">
<p class="MsoBodyText">The body always operates as an integrated
mechanism, and “forms”
behavioral or motor acts in strict compliance with the conditions
in which it
is placed.<o:p></o:p></p>
followed by 423 more lines of code containing 20,044 characters
(including spaces). Yes, that's 20 thousand characters, not 20!
The sentence itself was well-formed; the only change was that the curly
quotes were rendered as HTML character entities, which is not a problem.
I confirm this behavior. I started with a *blank* Word document. I typed
*one* word in it, with default formatting. I copied that word and pasted
it into a new Seamonkey HTML-formatted message. Then I saved the message
and looked at the source code.
Surprise, surprise: that one word turned into 20 kb of garbage. And it's
easy to tell that the garbage originated in Word, because, well, things
like <o:> elements (nonstandard), classes named "Mso"-something (created
by Word) and conditional comments (another nonstandard, Microsoft-only
technology)
What I think is happening...
1. Word places a lot of proprietary garbage on the clipboard yet tags it
as "HTML"
2. Thunderbird/Seamonkey believes the tag and accepts the paste "as is."
3. It probably tweaks the content a little in order to mesh with the
rest of the HTML-formatted message.
4. Most non-MS mail clients ignore the proprietary garbage and render
the message the same as the Seamonkey-user sender intended.
5. Outlook, however, attempts to interpret those remains of the
proprietary garbage and fails horribly
The only way I see for fixing it from the Mozilla end would be to add
code for detecting MS proprietary garbage in the clipboard and run it
through a sanitizer (something like HTMLtidy with the -word2000 option)
to clean it up.
Thank you for being the first person to fully explain what is going on
in a way I can understand.
I'm still not sure what my best solution is but now I better understand
the issue.
What I often have to do for work is discuss something going on in an
e-mail, and there may be some text or data from a word document - say a
specification or chart that I want to past in. Often it has formatting,
bold, number list etc that I want to preserve so copying to text first
means I have to re-apply all the formatting.
I wonder if there are any other formatted programs that can clean things
up as you suggest without loosing the formating.
I've been assuming that you need to preserve the editability of what
you pull from Word. If not, why not just attach a screenshot? Or use
screen capture software like Snagit: http://www.techsmith.com/snagit.html
Good point.
I don't know that I necessarily need to preserve the editability, but it
is for business and should remain looking professional and be able to be
forwarded and reused without any issues (like the attachment loosing the
in line status). I think keeping the text as text is probably the best
way to do this.
Consider "printing" from Word to a PDF file and then attaching the PDF
file to the E-mail message.
A pdf version is like a screen-copy ... a detour instead of the real
cure of the problem.
The real question is (not easy) : What must be done in SM to permit for
only Outlook user a correct reading of a mail including a copy/paste
from Word ?
I have really no idea of feasability.
You are suggesting that the Mozilla E-mail components be modified to
accomodate the behavior of a Microsoft product when E-mail applications
of other developers -- neither Mozilla nor Microsoft -- do not need such
a change to Mozilla's components.
Yest..... BUT....When i say "i have really no idea of feasability" i
underlining think, that there is no solutions, just detours ...
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