[email protected] wrote on 2/12/2017 12:13 PM:
flyguy wrote:
[email protected] wrote on 2/12/2017 5:53 AM:
flyguy wrote:
This article does not load into Seamonkey, using my normal profile:
https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1942/02/15/85516308.html?pageNumber=166&mi_u=64767442
Other than that link, I have no problems with the New York Times.
The link does load into a clean profile, and also in Chrome and
IE 11.
Perhaps this related to a Google problem that began in the last
couple of months. For example, if I type in "pizza" (no quote
marks), I get the usual ad links, a small map showing pizza
places in the area, under which is a list of those places.
Clicking on a pizza place in the list takes me to another tab,
which remains blank with status line showing "done". I used get
what I still get in IE and Chrome: the list of places, and a full
map overlaid with box showing the details of the place I clicked
on.
I can get the usual full map, etc, if I click on the "Maps" link
the menu that's under the Google search box at the top.
The issue with Google also seems to be dodgy user-agent sniffing. I
can get it to work by configuring SeaMonkey to present Firefox's
user-agent to Google. The "Advertise Firefox compatibility" is not
sufficient; it seems we need to remove all mention of SeaMonkey
from the user-agent string. To do that:
1. Enter about:config in the address bar
2. Accept the warning
3. In the "Search" bar at the top, enter "useragent"
4. Ensure "general.useragent.site_specific_overrides" is set to
"true" (double-click to toggle if it's not)
5. Right-click > New > String
6. For the name, enter
"general.useragent.override.www.google.co.uk" (or whichever local
version of google you get directed to)
7. For the value, enter "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:52.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0"
Optional - If you want, you can work out a user-agent string which
more accurately reflects your OS and the Firefox version
corresponding to your SeaMonkey version, as follows:
1. Enable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" (under Edit >
Preferences > Advanced > Http Networking or
"general.useragent.compatMode.firefox" in about:config)
2. Help > About SeaMonkey
3. Copy the string after "User agent", but without the
"SeaMonkey/<version>" at the end.
4. Set "Advertise Firefox compatibility" back to your preferred
setting (it just needed to be enabled to get the Firefox version
into the user-agent string for step 3).
I used this string from Help, after removing the Seamonkey/2.46:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46
The response is different than it was. When I use "pizza in richland
wa" (no quotes): I get the usual pizza list and a small map, but When
I click on a place or the map, the page reloads with the Google
search box at the top, and only a menu bar under it. The bar has:
<back arrow> Rating Pizza Hours Clear Filters X
The status bar reports "Done".
Better than a blank page, but not quite there :^(
After a bit more experimenting, it seems that it may be necessary to
check a few other settings as well:
- Enable JavaScript for Google (in case you've disabled it, or using a
script blocker like NoScript)
- Set the user-agent for www.google.co.uk (or your local variant) to a
Firefox user-agent
- Turn OFF "Advertise Firefox compatibility"
Yes - set the user-agent sting for Google to something indicating
Firefox with no mention of SeaMonkey, and also turn OFF "Advertise
Firefox compatibility" so that the default user-agent indicates
SeaMonkey with no mention of Firefox! That changing "Advertise Firefox
compatibility" makes a difference suggests that there may be another
domain involved which isn't affected by the specific user-agent
override, but I can't work out what it is.
I've been able to produce at least 3 different results depending on
combinations of these settings. After changing the settings, go to
www.google.com (it redirects to a local version, www.google.co.uk for
me), search for "pizza", click one of the places listed under the small
map, and depending on the combination of settings...
1. With JavaScript disabled: Another search results page, with the
search term changed to the name of the place I clicked.
2. With JavaScript enabled, SeaMonkey default user-agent, with or
without "Advertise Firefox compatibility": A menu bar but no content
underneath. This sounds like what you're seeing now. I had assumed this
is what you originally described as "another tab, which remains blank",
but it now sounds like you really were seeing a completely blank page.
3. With JavaScript enabled, general.useragent.override.www.google.co.uk
set to a Firefox-only string (either the one I suggested or yours minus
" SeaMonkey/2.46"), and "Advertise Firefox compatibility" disabled: A
page with the other places listed down the left, a large map on the
right, and details about the one I selected in a panel covering the left
side of the map. I think this is what you're expecting.
I wouldn't like to guarantee the same behaviour from other regional
versions of Google though! There's some very odd browser detection going
on here...
BINGO! I've always had Javascript enabled, so I just disabled "Advertise
Firefox compatibility" and worked just like it used for several years.
Remarkable sleuthing - thanks very much. These were really frustrating
problems, especially as IE and Chrome didn't seem to have problems.
Anyway, do you think Google and the New York times have changed how they
do things in the last month or so? Or does Seamonkey have glitch in it?
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