uBlock is really the better product nowadays.
> (which I only use for the increasing number of websites that won't work in SM)
I don't see many breakages which are real. Most can be fixed with setting the
user agent. With most web sites still supporting IE 8 only a few really break.
Most are google ones and they do it in for Fx too.
> I wonder how soon we will realistically see a Seamonky build with the
Firefox 60 ESR or newer code. I really don't want to move away from SM, but
the lack
Maybe 6 months to a year. Firefox has problems of its own and becomes a
permanent construction camp so anything after 2.57 is off for now. Do what you
must but I would switch probably to Chromium then. The Fx ui degrades with
every release now so you can just use the original which imho already looks
cleaner than Fx.
Locally compiled 2.53 and 2.49.5 both work a champ for me so I don't have any
need to switch now. Newer web features will probably become a problem in a
year or two but seriously I don't want things like service workers and wasm
anyway. I really doubt this will do security any good.
FRG
Hawker wrote:
Thank you both for the clear explanation.
Sounds like I'm stuck where I am. A few of my ABP filters are now saying
"this filter subscriptions requires a newer ABP version...."
This is going to be a security risk soon I assume as I fund ABP does a better
job keeping add based virus out than my AV products.
Alas your comment "Most are a joke compared to their former xul based ones."
Is sadly true. Some of the extensions I see in my Firefox install (which I
only use for the increasing number of websites that won't work in SM) have way
more limited UIs than the XUL version. I'm hoping with time they can reach the
functionality of the old versions. Is there something about how they work that
means they never will? And a few of my favorite extensions have not been ported.
I wonder how soon we will realistically see a Seamonky build with the Firefox
60 ESR or newer code. I really don't want to move away from SM, but the lack
of developers to keep the code current is putting the handwriting clearly on
the wall for SM's demise.
On 8/30/2018 12:43 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Thunderbird 60 and SeaMonkey 2.57 are/will not be based on 52 code but on
Firefox 60 ESR code.
Web extensions were never developed with a program like Thunderbird in mind.
TB now adds web extensions apis and support but I doubt they will be able to
make any of the current ad or script blockers work in the near time.
If not for developer shortage this would be actually easier for SeaMonkey
which already has a browser in place. But the whole Firefox implementation
is a mess with parts in the browser frontend and parts in the Gecko backend.
And for quantum architectural changes. Most was already in 56 and starting
with 57 it was just lets rip this and this and that and this out.
It needs to be supported but besides from a few key extensions like uBlock
and NoScript you won't miss much with web extensions. Most are a joke
compared to their former xul based ones.
FRG
NFN Smith wrote:
Hawker wrote:
I have Adblock Plus 2.9.1 installed on Seamonkey. My subscriptions are
starting to say I need a newer version to work. I can't seem find a SM
compatible version of Adblock to download.
Is 2.9.1 (over 1 year old) the last version to work? Where can I find
newer versions?
I believe that 2.9.1 is the most recent version that will run in Seamonkey,
and I get the impression that that one isn't going to get any more updates.
I know that I've also been running 2.9.1 in Thunderbird, and it works fine
in TB 52.x, but on the installation I have that I upgraded to Thunderbird
60, Thunderbird disables it. In Thunderbird, I believe that v60 is still
52.x code, but where essential updates are being backported from Firefox
ESR 60. Thus, Thunderbird still supports XUL extensions, but for V60,
extensions must be tweaked to allow for explicit support of V60.
Realistically, until both Seamonkey and Thunderbird can finish the move to
WebExtensions, users of both are mostly going to limited to extensions
whose status is essentially frozen in time. There may be a some developers
who do stuff for Seamonkey or Thunderbird explicitly that are continuing to
update XUL extensions, but for extensions that are primarily Firefox
extensions, I think that most of the developers are focusing only on what
can be done in WebExtensions. They won't pull the older XUL extensions
(especially now that those are being hosted at thunderbird.net, rather than
addons.mozilla.org, but don't plan on any additional updates. Adblock Plus
is certainly not the only one, but it's a good example.
Unfortunately, both Seamonkey and Thunderbird are still some way away from
transition to WebExtensions, and other architectural changes that Firefox
introduced with Quantum.
Smith
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