Please read my other mail on this subject before passing judgement - what I am working on at the moment may actually have some bearing on this.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 12:15:22AM +0000, Toad wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 07:19:28PM +0100, Alban Bedel wrote: > > Hi Toad, > > > > on Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:37:46 +0000 you wrote: > > > > Before i start i must say i always like the idea of freenet. I tried > > it a couple time long ago but i never had enouth disk space to devote. > > I tried the current stable yesterday and i must say i was disapointed. > > Yes, there are major problems with the network that are being worked > out, agonizingly slowly.. > > > First, like many here, by the insane amout of mem it sucked. > > It's unfortunate, however given the size of the network, it's > performance level, and the consequent reasonable deduction that only > geeks will use it, it's not so unreasonable for this to be only a > moderately high priority. > > > But then > > i was more impressed by the reaction of the freenet ppl. So i put > > my rant too. But don't get me wrong i work on oss too, i know that > > you just do what you feel like doing. And it's good so :) > > Well, I work on what is best for the project, because I get paid for it. > But obviously the volunteers do what they feel like. > > > > > As I have said on numerous occasions: RAM is cheap. Freedom or working > > > software is not cheap, it's bloody expensive. > > > > RAM is NOT CHEAP !!!!! You perhaps live in a wealty contry and have big > > money. But this is a privilege, not more. RAM is fucking expansive > > by my standards (and yes i live in a wealty contry) and freedom can be > > an end only if it's freedom for all. Otherwise you just create a new > > caste of privilegied. Do we really need one more ?? > > RAM is subject to Moore's Law. Freedom, and software development, are > not. Having said that we do have a problem with memory usage with all > the reports of nodes crashing with OOMs even when given 250MB+. > > > > > 79MB is way under what > > > most nodes use. We may be able to get perm node usage down to 80MB at > > > some point, but it's not an immediate priority. > > > > I just took a quick look at this list and could find several ppl in > > the same position as i. We have good "old" server (mine is a celeron > > 400 with 128MB) witch can handle ANY of todays servers easily. So > > we would like to run a frennet node. But we just can't !!!! > > Upgrade it to 256MB. Your motherboard doesn't support 256MB? That sounds > unlikely if it can take a celeron 400. If you are so poor that you can't > afford the $50 upgrade, well frankly, can you afford the bandwidth? > > > > > Don't you think it would be nice to have a working network? > > > > Sure but again if it's a network of eltist who expect you to buy > > a new computer just to be able to run a permanent node i don't > > see the point. > > We can improve on the memory usage issue once it works. And MEMORY FOR A > GIVEN COST DOUBLES EVERY YEAR TO TWO YEARS. We have been working on > freenet since ~ 1997, and it certainly has not improved that quickly. > > > > Albeu > > > > -- > > > > Everything is controlled by a small evil group > > to which, unfortunately, no one we know belongs. > -- > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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