1) 0.5:
- the branch stable is in effect the branch unstable. both share the same code, eventhough the 'stable' is called 0.5 and the unstable "pre 0.6" or something like that
- unstable (eventhough the branch is called 'stable'): there are still major problems with the routing algorithm IIRC even in the latest CVS
- unsupported and utterly unmaintained for NOW SEVERAL YEARS
or
2) 0.7:
- no unstable branch because the code has to be settled and heavy work is going on, therefore a distinction between stable and unstable is not helpful at this time as both branches would be modified by a new release
- unstable - but in the sense of "unfinished", NOT "doesn't work". 0.5 is more "doesn't work" than 0.7 currently is and will ever be
- actively supported and maintained. New releases are nearly every other day. Bugfixes and improvements galore (that doesn't mean that 0.5 is bug free - all the known or unknown bugs simply aren't fixed anymore and nobody cares (for a good reason))
make your choice.
I already have and won't regret droppiong 0.5 which is, or better was, a horrible monster of software. 0.5 started up in a minute or so, 0.7 in fully operational in less than 5 seconds! (YMMV)
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:34:25 -0400
0.7 isn't a stable version either. It's a not nearly completed, far
from functional version.
On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 0.5 isn't a stable version. It's an outdated version that many people
> happen to use. Of course you can keep using 0.5 and slowly watch it
> die, or even try to keep it alive. But the freenet team wants you to
> populate 0.7 so they can improve it. It's unfortunate that it scares
> away a few users too lazy to run 0.7 but they will come back once it's
> better and stable.
>
> On 8/22/06, an ominous cow herd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding. It's fine the way it
> > is. It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for the
> > 0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it "unsupported" while
> > directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make sense. The
> > 0.5 network should be called the stable version and 0.7 should be the
> > unstable version, just like it was done in the past. If users ask questions,
> > they should be directed to the wiki. Why the big push to get new users on
> > the 0.7 network while it's still in the alpha stage?
> >
> > On Monday 21 August 2006 14:35, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > > We don't have a big enough team to actively support both.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:31:38PM -0700, an ominous cow herd wrote:
> > > > I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen
> > > > take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users
> > > > to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing
> > > > Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the "unsupported" version,
> > > > and 0.7 as the alpha version still under development. New users would
> > > > opt for the stable version. Having new users directed to an alpha version
> > > > while the stable version is fully functioning is quite strange.
> > > >
> > > > On Saturday 19 August 2006 08:11, - wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the beta
> > > > > test freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5.
> > > > >
> > > > > You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to try
> > > > > freenet, even version 0.5 which works and is not a beta test. Let's
> > > > > think about what would motivate someone...
> > > > >
> > > > > I remember when I found freenet, I installed it spent hours reading
> > > > > over the technical jargon.
> > > > > It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of crap
> > > > > that does not work.
> > > > >
> > > > > Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this
> > > > > complicated process and after waiting for three days with it on, it
> > > > > finally started working.
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason I spent many hours and went back after throwing it out once,
> > > > > was because I was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and content.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's the problem:
> > > > >
> > > > > If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an
> > > > > unstable beta test,
> > > > > why would anyone new bother to join the community?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and computers
> > > > > to beta test some random highly technical peer to peer application that
> > > > > completely hogs your computer's resources?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user friendly.
> > > > > A person who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's actually
> > > > > going to work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like myself
> > > > > will just get rid of it, not bothering to learn all the configurations,
> > > > > frost, fuqid, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and
> > > > > install program without all the technical jargon, you would double or
> > > > > triple your user base.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only NEW users you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to be
> > > > > peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are there
> > > > > that don't know about freenet already?
> > > > >
> > > > > So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would be
> > > > > wiser to just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta
> > > > > testing, and create a nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 is
> > > > > working. Even I would be willing to help create this website, and I'm
> > > > > sure many other people also would volunteer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Van
> > > >
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