On 9/23/06, an ominous cow herd <freenetproject at americancheeze.com> wrote: > On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:50, nobody at geonosis.homelinux.net wrote: > > This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Winston Smith > > Project Geonosis mixminion server at geonosis.winstonsmith.info. If > > you do not want to receive anonymous messages, please contact pbox- > > admin at winstonsmith.info. For information about anonymity, see > > https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws or > > https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it. > > > > -----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE----- > > Message-type: plaintext > > > > In <20060918233820.GA27941 at amphibian.dyndns.org> toad > <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote: > > >On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 02:10:57PM +0100, Volodya wrote: > > >> Lars Juel Nielsen wrote: > > >> > On 9/11/06, anon-bounces at deuxpi.ca <anon-bounces at deuxpi.ca> > > >> > wrote: > > >> >> -----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE----- > > >> >> Message-type: plaintext > > >> >> > > >> >> I read this on frost recently. How is this best addressed? > > >> >> > > >> >> - ----- Scruple at rJvWGdrEj1YOqt_TMc7Wyl01t2Q ----- 2006.08.29 - > > >> >> 05:47:35GMT ----- > > >> >> > > >> >> Someone brought up the point in the boards board that your peers > > >> >> (e.g. 'friends' on 0.7) can see what you are requesting and > > >> >> inserting. I responded that this may be an avenue of attack against > > >> >> dark-net since if something 'naughty' is being requested then your > > >> >> peers will know it is either coming from you or one of your friend > > >> >> nodes. In either case thats bad news if you have something > > >> >> contraversial or 'naughty' to say - your 'friends' on the darknet > > >> >> could ask you to sever your connection with the node that's doing the > > >> >> naughty requesting, or demand to know which node is doing it of yours > > >> >> and try to track it themselves. > > >> >> > > >> >> I'll be posting this attack message on the devl and tech mailing > > >> >> lists soon. If you have any points to make then do it here, and I'll > > >> >> incorporate it into my post (this will be like a draft then). > > >> > > > >> > Premix routing, planned for 0.8. > > >> > > >> Yep, unfortunately anything short of premix will be a hack and not solve > > >> the problem. > > > > > >Maybe. There are a few hacks that would give *some* plausible > > >deniability... Well, you have some plausible deniability *now*, but > > >nothing that would stand up to a statistical attack... > > > > So essentially, if I'm looking for anonymity that can stand up to a serious > > attacker that has access to anything 2.5 billion dollars can buy, then I'd > > be better off using 0.5 for now insted of 0.7. > > > > Thank you for making that clear. I have large (2 to 20gb) files to > > distribute (no, they're not cp), that I must have very good plausible > > deniability and be able to stand up to at least a statistical attack like > > you're talking about. > > > > BTW- I read in a msg on Frost that 0.7 is speed limited to 10mb per day to > > make it more difficult for people to insert large, possibly copyrighted or > > cp binaries. Is this for real or does that poster not know what they're > > talking about? > > > > If for example only, I start an 0.7 node and begin to insert warez and cp, > > am I anonymous enough even from my peers to be safe or will the feds come > > knocking my door down? > > > > [remembering that free speech includes allowing stuff you abhor as well as > > what you agree with.] > > I find it funny that all of these 0.7 users are saying that the 0.7 network is > better and more secure than the 0.5 network. They say this even while we see > these warnings about critical bug fixes, peers in the 0.7 network being able > to monitor what comes from your node, and the IRC channels where people trade > references could have cops monitoring or actively trading these references. > Now you mention that there is a cap on bandwidth. WTF?
0.5 got pretty much the same security problems as 0.7 do and there is no cap on bandwidth, toad denied it in the a reply to the mail you replied to and I can confirm it as an user too, it may be slow but it's faster than 0.5, retain content better and there is no cap that I've run into yet. There is still work to be done on speeding it up but the current speed limit(whatever it is) is not intentional. > > This is why I'm staying with the 0.5 network until either 0.7 becomes useful, > or another anonymous network (ANts http://antsp2p.sourceforge.net/) > surpasses the 0.5 network in usability, popularity, and security. > > It would be sad to see Freenet become just a footnote in the computer > chronicles while other anonymous networks become more popular and Freenet > loses it's user base. Maybe some Chinese Christian dissident will use it to > speak freely, but it won't matter much if there is no one to listen. > > > > > > ----- Anonymous ----- 2006.08.27 - 20:09:01GMT ----- > > > > > > The ref doesn't change if your IP changes. Or rather it does change but > > > is still compatible, even toad and ian aren't that insane... You could > > > also use a dyndns name or something similiar. I currently run 0.5 and 0.7 > > > at the same time, 0.7 doesn't use much bandwidth anyway. (You can't get > > > it to use more then 10 - 30kb/s) Sadly its also not usable for anything > > > except freesites and textmessages up to now because of the ridiculous > > > insert speed. (like 10MB/day). I really wonder if this insert speed is by > > > purpose because it manages to keep all kind of movies, mp3s, warez, porn > > > and so on out of 0.7, which happens to be the stuff toad doesn't like. > > > (btw: Porn is sin as far as he is concerned, as is sex outside of > > > marriage. I never imagined that toad is a christian nutcase... If anyone > > > is interested I could poste the discussion in the privacy and religion > > > boards on 0.7 in which toad parcipated. His believes are somewhat > > > interesting.) And he never cared about filesharing and hates the pedo > > > stuff anyway. Which leaves the small stuff like freesite, images and > > > books... (If you want a good laugh look for some guy who is posting 25MB > > > chunks of a movie for over one month. He got to 26 or something like that > > > up to now...) Anyway, pushing for opennet doesn't really make sense up to > > > now because 0.7 isn't really usable anyway. > > > > -----END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > Support mailing list > > Support at freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or > > mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
