--- an ominous cow herd <freenetproject at americancheeze.com> wrote:
> On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:50, > nobody at geonosis.homelinux.net wrote: > > This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you > by the Winston Smith > > Project Geonosis mixminion server at > geonosis.winstonsmith.info. If > > you do not want to receive anonymous messages, > please contact pbox- > > admin at winstonsmith.info. For information about > anonymity, see > > https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws or > > https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it. > > > > -----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE----- > > Message-type: plaintext > > > > In <20060918233820.GA27941 at amphibian.dyndns.org> > toad > <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote: > > >On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 02:10:57PM +0100, Volodya > wrote: > > >> Lars Juel Nielsen wrote: > > >> > On 9/11/06, anon-bounces at deuxpi.ca > <anon-bounces at deuxpi.ca> wrote: > > >> >> -----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE----- > > >> >> Message-type: plaintext > > >> >> > > >> >> I read this on frost recently. How is this > best addressed? > > >> >> > > >> >> - ----- Scruple at rJvWGdrEj1YOqt_TMc7Wyl01t2Q > ----- 2006.08.29 - > > >> >> 05:47:35GMT ----- > > >> >> > > >> >> Someone brought up the point in the boards > board that your peers > > >> >> (e.g. 'friends' on 0.7) can see what you are > requesting and > > >> >> inserting. I responded that this may be an > avenue of attack against > > >> >> dark-net since if something 'naughty' is > being requested then your > > >> >> peers will know it is either coming from you > or one of your friend > > >> >> nodes. In either case thats bad news if you > have something > > >> >> contraversial or 'naughty' to say - your > 'friends' on the darknet > > >> >> could ask you to sever your connection with > the node that's doing the > > >> >> naughty requesting, or demand to know which > node is doing it of yours > > >> >> and try to track it themselves. > > >> >> > > >> >> I'll be posting this attack message on the > devl and tech mailing > > >> >> lists soon. If you have any points to make > then do it here, and I'll > > >> >> incorporate it into my post (this will be > like a draft then). > > >> > > > >> > Premix routing, planned for 0.8. > > >> > > >> Yep, unfortunately anything short of premix > will be a hack and not solve > > >> the problem. > > > > > >Maybe. There are a few hacks that would give > *some* plausible > > >deniability... Well, you have some plausible > deniability *now*, but > > >nothing that would stand up to a statistical > attack... > > > > So essentially, if I'm looking for anonymity that > can stand up to a serious > > attacker that has access to anything 2.5 billion > dollars can buy, then I'd > > be better off using 0.5 for now insted of 0.7. > > > > Thank you for making that clear. I have large (2 > to 20gb) files to > > distribute (no, they're not cp), that I must have > very good plausible > > deniability and be able to stand up to at least a > statistical attack like > > you're talking about. > > > > BTW- I read in a msg on Frost that 0.7 is speed > limited to 10mb per day to > > make it more difficult for people to insert large, > possibly copyrighted or > > cp binaries. Is this for real or does that poster > not know what they're > > talking about? > > > > If for example only, I start an 0.7 node and begin > to insert warez and cp, > > am I anonymous enough even from my peers to be > safe or will the feds come > > knocking my door down? > > > > [remembering that free speech includes allowing > stuff you abhor as well as > > what you agree with.] > > I find it funny that all of these 0.7 users are > saying that the 0.7 network is > better and more secure than the 0.5 network. They > say this even while we see > these warnings about critical bug fixes, peers in > the 0.7 network being able > to monitor what comes from your node, and the IRC > channels where people trade > references could have cops monitoring or actively > trading these references. > Now you mention that there is a cap on bandwidth. > WTF? > > This is why I'm staying with the 0.5 network until > either 0.7 becomes useful, > or another anonymous network (ANts > http://antsp2p.sourceforge.net/) > surpasses the 0.5 network in usability, popularity, > and security. > > It would be sad to see Freenet become just a > footnote in the computer > chronicles while other anonymous networks become > more popular and Freenet > loses it's user base. Maybe some Chinese Christian > dissident will use it to > speak freely, but it won't matter much if there is > no one to listen. > and what's the plus'es of AntsP2P over Mute-Net?... > > > > > ----- Anonymous ----- 2006.08.27 - 20:09:01GMT > ----- > > > > > > The ref doesn't change if your IP changes. Or > rather it does change but > > > is still compatible, even toad and ian aren't > that insane... You could > > > also use a dyndns name or something similiar. I > currently run 0.5 and 0.7 > > > at the same time, 0.7 doesn't use much bandwidth > anyway. (You can't get > > > it to use more then 10 - 30kb/s) Sadly its also > not usable for anything > > > except freesites and textmessages up to now > because of the ridiculous > > > insert speed. (like 10MB/day). I really wonder > if this insert speed is by > > > purpose because it manages to keep all kind of > movies, mp3s, warez, porn > > > and so on out of 0.7, which happens to be the > stuff toad doesn't like. > > > (btw: Porn is sin as far as he is concerned, as > is sex outside of > > > marriage. I never imagined that toad is a > christian nutcase... If anyone > > > is interested I could poste the discussion in > the privacy and religion > > > boards on 0.7 in which toad parcipated. His > believes are somewhat > > > interesting.) And he never cared about > filesharing and hates the pedo > > > stuff anyway. Which leaves the small stuff like > freesite, images and > > > books... (If you want a good laugh look for some > guy who is posting 25MB > > > chunks of a movie for over one month. He got to > 26 or something like that > > > up to now...) Anyway, pushing for opennet > doesn't really make sense up to > > > now because 0.7 isn't really usable anyway. > > > > -----END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > Support mailing list > > Support at freenetproject.org > > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or > > > mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or > mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
