>      That's my very 1st post here and i suppose it won't hurt
if i begin
> with a personnal presentation.  Well, i'm here because the
`FidoNet_DOS-
> InterNet' echo is in pretty bad shape and i fail to find people
who have
> something to share, other than me alone...  I thought i might
be luckier
> in `SurvPC',

Howdy,

I'm a beginning programmer who has 2 newer PIII computers and
also two older (386 and 486) boxes.

I picked up the older machines essentially free and outfitted
them with circa 1980's and early 1990's tools, with one running a
plain DOS environment and the 486 running DOS with Win 3.11.

I found that this is a very good way to study programming,
because it allows be to do my entry-level studies using the books
and softwares that were in place during the developmental stages
of the languages. (the stuff is all available on eBay for cheap)
I found that modern programming books all assumed prior
knowledge, even the ones claiming that they were for strict
beginners. I don't think that even the authors were aware of what
they were doing, but they were writing modern textbook that just
explained 'how' at the basic levels, w/o explaining 'why', so
that I felt like I was building the foundations of my programming
skills on a 'black box', and a bunch of memorised stuff.

By going back to the simpler OS's, CPU's, and earlier books, I am
getting to see what programming was like before GUI interfaces,
and protected mode programming. this adds a year or so to the
front end of my studies, but I think it will be worth it in the
long run.

I have found out more stuff by accident on this list, just
reading discussions between some of the 'old timers', than I have
learned from other list, on purpose.

 -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
"Never hold a dustbuster and a cat at the same time."
 -Kyoyo, age 11

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