I have missed some of this discussion, but am wondering about possible corrosion effects of added moisture in the cylinder and into lubricating oil over time?
Ed B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: criminals, brown's bomb, hydrogen fusion, and ph measurements ...(#339) > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Dick Carlstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > This is my concern as well. If the power to split the water into > > > H2 an O2 is provided by the motor, how exactly do you win out > > > when you burn the H2 in the motor? Is there more complete > > > combustion of the gasoline, as Robert mentions? and does this > > > then get enough extra torque out of the same amount of gas to > > > make up for the energy lost making the H2 in the first place? > > > hmmm...seems possible, but I'd like to see something that says > > > this explicitly, or offers some other mechanism, with some > > > numbers to back it up. > > > > ok, good questions. they also apply to the mister i use every day, > > with remarkable results. how is it that one liter of water, misted > > into the car's intake manifold over 5-600 kilometers, can improve > > mileage 6 to 10 percent ? and how come this same mister improves > > low end torque, and starts the engine faster ? and as a bonus it > > reduces oil use in worn engines ? > > > > is this a synergy scenario, in which the total is greater than the > > sum of the parts ? can this be so ? > > > > yes, if we measure things using the right units. > > > Ahhhhh... you just said the magic words :) bless your heart (or maybe > I mean mind) > > <snip> > > how this comes to be i do not know. i can only measure the results > > empirically. > > > <snip> > > and quite the amount of experience you seem to have. Awesome! and > thank you for sharing. > > I am convinced that the phenomenon exists, and has been repeated, the > first half of any good experiment. > > > > > as to possible explanations, i can think of partial fusion (not > > fission) as a possible explanation, also of h combining with free o > > in the gas mix, and then adding to the explosive force of the > > mixture. i can think of water splitting inside the combustion > > chamber initially, and later on recombining to give off energy. and > > finally i can think that we really don't know zip as to what > > happens when we combine water and/or its molecular components, with > > a very complex molecular structure such as ic engine fuel, and > > explode the mixture in an ic engine's combustion chamber. > > > High temps in an engine, but nothing even remotely close to what > you'd need for fusion. (cold fusion was one of those bad experiments > that missed the crucial element of repeatability, even by the > original "discoverers" of the effect)I think we can safely rule that > out. > > As far as water splitting and then later recombining, this could > happen, but even under the most ideal circumstances, you still can't > get back more than you put in (darn laws of thermodynamics!) > > Creating more, or more complete, combustion pathways for the IC fuel > when under different conditions(water or H present) in the cylinder, > still seems like a plausible mechanism to me.As you metnion we don't > know diddly about what really goes on in there (or at least you and I > don't. Any help out there?) > > Another possibilty I heard mentioned on this list once was that the > added water at the combustion temps is pretty high pressure steam, > and since there is plenty of extra heat around you can make that > steam essentially free of charge and add this extra pressure to > pushing the cylinder. This also seems to make sense to me as a > possible mechnism. Part ICE, part steam engine. > > > we're on to something really interesting here. > > most definately! > I push the explanation end, not because I doubt, but because I'm a > scientist (inquisitive) and an engineer and once you know exactly how > and why something works you can modify it intelligently to optimize > the effect. > > -Andrew > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/n4HqaC/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
