Hello Jay >Hi Folks, >I am new on the list.
Welcome! >I am most interested in alcohol production since I don't >have a diesel engine. As a daily driver I have a 30 year old economy car, a >Rambler. I rebuilt the motor so the thing runs great and it is so simple with >power nothing. I have also considered converting it to LP too but that is on a >side burner. >I am on an AMC list, and on another and in both places they are >crying about the >price of gas. >I just had to ask them who's fault it was Americans drove gas hogs and >consistently refused to develop alternative energy sources. Whose fault is it >that we live so far from work in oversized homes? The increase in >gas prices is >a GOOD thing! Hey-hey! A rare voice indeed! Good for you, keep it up. >Far out! The price of gas so far does not reflect the true cost. >And I think I got a 25% positive response, with more minds thinking about it. >I am still stumped on the whole economy thing. Do we really have to sell cars >and stuff that breaks so we can go to work to pay for cars and the stuff that >broke, or do we really just want to maintain a place for people to >go during the >daytime? >We have enough food, soap, hot water, good books, and productive hobbies for >everyone, so what's up? >OK, so sometimes I forget what planet I am on. I'm on Planet Japan! Anyway, we both belong on this planet, but I'm not so sure about the people who tell us all this stuff. You have to ask, Who benefits, and at whose expense? The answers are usually the opposite of what we get told all the time. And fairly clear-cut. I think we could add "consumption modesty" to "energy modesty". Do we really need more than just basic needs (which about 1.2 billion people don't have)? Or just want more? At whose expense? Quite a few billion people reckon it's at their expense. And who's telling us to "want"? And why? Could also be very much at our expense. Well, you're not alone. Rather rapid growth in the Voluntary Simplicity movement, along with homesteading and more, same sort of thinking even if it might come from a different direction. >Thanks for all the great posts and keep up the good work! And you. All best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ >Jay Z. Freed >Carson City NV > >Keith Addison wrote: > > > Fwd from [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > From: "Albrecht Kaupp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Hi folks, > > Wandering in between three homes and living alternatively in in the USA, > > India and Germany, and by my profession and believe would qualify as a > > Democrat/Ecofascist as defined by Dave, I see this whole discussion a bit > > more relaxed. It is a matter of being brainwashed for too long that high > > energy consumption and low energy costs have something to do with >quality of > > life. I wonder why there are no riots in the streets of Germany at a > > gasoline price of 4 US$ per gallon with diesel,LPG and N-gas not >much lower. > > I also can't see the industry collapsing, people starving, or quality of > > life falling apart because the country is highly energy efficient. Is the > > industry and economy in the USA so weak that they can't even handle US$ 4 > > per gallon or doubeling LPG costs. > > > > Here in India most of the professionals tell me every day that energy > > efficiency by itself won't help anyway. It is a matter of the sum of energy > > efficiency and energy modesty. At the end of the day a highly energy > > efficient state-of-the-art LARGE american refrigerator will use up 2.8 kWh > > per electricity while the inefficient Indian SMALL refrigerator will use up > > 1.8 kWh. Of course the Americans ,the Germans and a few others are madly > > trying to tell the Indians how inefficient this fridge is. The trouble is > > that such an advise is not very much respected and accepted from us, whom > > have totally forgotten about energy modesty bragging too much about energy > > efficiency. > > > > Albrecht Kaupp > > Senior Advisor > > Indo-German Energy Efficiency and Environment Project, IGEEP > > 21 Jor Bagh, New Delhi 110 003, India > > Tel +91-11-4603832-6 or +91-11-6864867 to 68 > > Fax +91-11-4603831 or +1-801-340-7905 (USA) > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
