--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think ADM and "Big Ethanol" are in the same league as
> Exxon-Mobil, the WSPA and the like.  I'm no fan of Mr. Andreas, but
> he's not even close to the record of Big Oil in the energy field.
> It's taken him how long to get his ethanol and biodiesel into our
> vehicles?  Around here (San Diego) , he hasn't come close to making 
a
> dent.  I'm not sure I've ever seen a pump around here that had any
> ethanol mixed in rather than MTBE.  I can almost hear the Oil
> Lobbyists laughing at him.  They are just too damned good.  With the
> possible exception of biodiesel being run in Diesel Engines (and 
I've
> never seen biodiesel made available to the general public at gas
> stations, around here) there are *no* mass-produced highway capable
> vehicles available readily and without hassle, nationwide to all
> American consumers, that do not use fossil fuels.  None.  This is 
not
> even close to being an accident, IMO.  In other words, it is not
> *possible* for the vast majority of American consumers to run their
> vehicles without using some fossil fuels, although
> more-widely-available biodiesel could I guess change some of that.
> 
> jl
> 
> My belief for the reason you can't buy it, is because the Big Guys 
don't have full control yet. They aren't about to let any of us 
little guys in, unless it's under their control. They are letting us 
develop the technology, but they won't let us into the market. When 
we are fully ready to be commercial producers, we won't have a market 
except through them. When we starve out or go broke, they will have 
it all to themselves.

I've been trying for several months to interconnect a generator to 
the grid, and have been stonewalled at every step. The temptation is 
very strong to just hook it up without their permission or authority, 
but I know they would shut off my access instantly. I'm not ready to 
be totally electrically self-sufficient.

Motie


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