--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sorry, Motie, but trust an American to see the whole complicated > Swiss set-up in terms of guns, first and foremost. The Swiss > certainly don't see it that way. I believe most Swiss would see your > comment on their democratic set-up as bizarre. I've spent time there > and never heard anyone even mentioning guns.
Different perspectives entirely. How to explain? How about if I told that the issue about guns, is not really about guns, but about whether or not our Constitution really means anything? It's just a piece of paper unless you have the means to back it up. > Same in Sweden, same in > Holland, etc etc - they just don't talk about it, no big secret, of > course defence is important but it's no big deal. The US gun issue > doesn't exist there. But for you it's an issue. In fact the Swiss > comparison is a most pertinent one in this discussion, if POC hadn't > made that point I would have. I'll make another one - the Swiss have > the oldest democracy in the world, and they modelled their modern > constitution 150 years ago on that of the United States of America. > So much of your guns debate has to do with the Constitution, doesn't > it? You have an amazing insight! It's ALL about the Constitution, and the people who ignore it. The Bill of Rights in particular is being ignored, with less pretense about it every day. From election fraud to illegal searches of our homes and false arrests on bogus violations, to Judges and Attorneys committing perjury in Court. We are living in a Police State, and the world doesn't seem to know. From Bill Clinton being aquitted for lying under Oath to a Judge, to the extremely bold decision to allow the Democrats to put Trafficant on the ballot in direct opposition to Election Law. Now the Homeland Security Bill basically suspends our Constitution under Color of Law, on top of the Patriot Act. When the Nazis rounded up the Jews for their trip to the showers, they were unable to resist. Some of us have decided that we won't give up our defensive tools until we are out of ammo. So, yes, it's about our Constitution! > Now, instead of looking at them through a US lens, try standing > halfway between and making a less one-sided comparison. The Swiss leaders are abiding by their Constitution, so they haven't a pressing concern about a need to defend themselves? > > PLEASE, this is NOT an invitation to dive head-first into a row, nor > even a discussion, about guns and America! Guns are a distraction > from this issue, not relevant, and, whatever Americans might feel > about it, believe me, the rest of us do not want such a discussion > here. Please mark my words, I'll kill any guns thread immediately, > moderator's action. I didn't really want to go there on this list, but felt obligated to respond. This is my last mention of the topic. > > Keith Respectfully, Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
