----- Original Message ----- From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 18:17 Subject: Torture Tactics - Yes, in America was Re: [biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq
> > Fur Free Friday at 7th and Nicollett in Minneapolis Minnesota, > the > > day after thanksgiving 1999. Protesters who were chained > together > > were placed in a choke hold by law enforcement. Pepper spray > was > > administered to a swab and applied to each protester. There > was no > > reason for this other than torture. I was there, I saw this > happen. > > Too bad I did not have a camera. > > Same thing, different day.... You should see the movie. (Yes. It > is on tape.) > http://www.radioproject.org/transcripts/9926.html > After reading the first incident, it seems to me that they received what they deserved. 1) They trespassed. 2) They were given a lawful order to leave and told what would happen if they did not. 3) They refused. 4) They were given a small example of what would happen. 5) Were *asked* again ( remember this part? Officer: Okay, who's going to release? Are you going to release? " 6) They still refused to leave. 7) The spray was applied in a way that was not going to contaminate the office. The protesters clearly asked for it in this case. It would have been very easy for them to leave, when they were first asked, then come back later, and then again and again. They could have released after the first sample was applied, but, no they wanted to be martyrs, that is just plain stupid & dumb to go out of your way to be the martyrs. > In its report Amnesty International said that "in this instance > the spray was clearly abusive as it was not used to protect > officers or others but was applied in a calculated and deliberate > way to inflict pain as a way of gaining compliance in cases of > demonstrators who posed no threat." They were breaking the law, and the officers were trying to get results with out anyone getting hurt and they still refused. How were the officers to know it was no threat? I have seen so called peaceful demonstrators injure police ( that were doing there job ), just because the demonstrator didn't want to leave, and the police were doing there best not to hurt the demonstrator. No, the protesters had a chance to end things peacefully with out any pain, and then with minimal pain, and they blew it. > > The later half of the program moves off of the intentional abuse > aspect and towards effectiveness issues. > As for the rest of it, it is only one side, and until the other side of the story is known, neather I nor anyone else cat make a true assesment. Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
