No relationship exists between the sections, sub-sections and sub-sub-sections of the Acts and Regulations and the pdf pages. There is no keyword involved. For example, take Municipal taxes, where I want to know the authority to tax, what section of the act permits a Municipal Government to tax, what proceedure is to be followed to establish a tax roll, what forms must be used, what notices must be issued, when each of these must be completed, who must do each, and everyone of these questions is answered in a section, sub, or sub-sub. It involves scanning after looking the sections up in the index and guessing how far through the 300+ pages it might be.
It is obvious that the individual who decided to put the Acts in PDF form has never ever tried to find any information in these files. Of coarse, he or she would have a handy paper copy, in book form, whereas the pdf copy is actually like a roll of toilet tissue which unwinds like a scroll across the computer screen. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul van den bergen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs > sounds like the right tool for the wrong job to me... > > On the other hand, perhaps I don't clearly understand the problem. I gather > the index gives you section and subsection etc. as a return on a given > keyword. is the pdf not bookmarked in sections? I can see no reason, given > the number of ways information can be referenced in pdf's, why there should > be a problem. Ofcourse, if the people who created teh pdfs don't know what > they are doing wrt bookmarks, etc, then there might be an issue... > > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:04 am, bratt wrote: > > Paul: > > > > I thought the "P" would stand for "Pitiful" or "Pathetic" > > > > The material I was working with (or trying to) were Government Acts, > > running over 300 pages each. Naturally, Government Acts of Law are indexed > > according to the sections of the Act, not pages. > > > > To index those Sections to page numbers s of PDF you would have to > > separate the Sections of the Act to fit them one to a page, or have a page > > re-numbering feature in PDF, which it does not have. > > > > Besides that, PDF is slow to load, slow to downpage. I have had instances > > where the largest printout had unreadable text. I mailed the printout to > > the publisher and requested a "paper version" that I could read. > > > > I am not creating this Government Act creature, just trying to read what > > was published in PDF, which is an application totally unsuited to this ever > > popular antiquated data file system. > > > > On the upside, "It is free, but worth that price" > > > > Ed > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "paul van den bergen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs > > > > > On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:37 pm, bratt wrote: > > > > If anything deserves boycotting its > > > > PDF files. > > > > > > > > PDF is antiquated, slow, and totally unsuitable for large volume > > > > publication use. I had to scan s-l-o-w-l-y through hundreds of pages > > > > to find > > > > information because there is no way to relate the index of the > > > > manuscript > > > > > > to the pdf page numbers, which makes the six page index absolutely > > > > worthless. > > > > > > there is a lot here to cover and I really don't have time, but here goes. > > > > > > first, sounds like you are angry at someone or something... nevermind, > > > > lets > > > > > assume you have a genuine complaint and not just a winge for the heck of > > > > it. > > > > > second, old and antiquated? I assume you mean by that that it does not > > > > perform > > > > > the function it was built for adequately compared to other more recent > > > inventions that do? if so, what are they? note pdf stands for printable > > > document format - it is a system optimised to allow the sharing over > > > disperate systems of information in a form that can be printed with > > > (preferably) no change from instance to instance. Now personally I prefer > > > postscript, which si far older, but pdfs are certainly more efficient > > > space-wise. > > > > > > thirdly, don't blame pdfs for the authors lack of care in indexing > > > correctly... > > > > > > sounds like you need to take a deep breath before posting... > > > > > > -- > > > Dr Paul van den Bergen > > > Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures > > > caia.swin.edu.au > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > IM:bulwynkl2002 > > > It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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