I believe the whole "kill and die in the name of God" (in ALL religions) .... are a result of 3 statements that were made ("By God" ... but that's a subject of a different thread (LOL)... whether he "did" ... or "not").
1. Moses/Ten Commandments - Thou shalt not shed innocent blood. Thus "guilty blood" (such as a guy coming at you with a machete) ... becomes a "valid target". This explains why "killing in self defense" ... becomes different than "pre-meditated murder in the first degree". 2. Jesus - ... hath greater love, than a man who lays his life down for his friends. In modern-speak, this is the "running in front of your wife" ... to "take the bullet" (meant for her). Valiantly dying for the cause of love. 3. (I think) Jesus - .. but those who lose their life for my sake, shall find it. Dying for "a noble cause" (such as freedom of your land/country). When living means "serving the evil slave-master". When dying becomes a "final expession" that "one IS is free". This explains why "Taps" is often played at a soldiers funeral. Why "he (the soldier) died for all of us". As you can see, ALL of these reasons for blood being spilt ... are just ones. I don't believe any member in this group, no matter what country, creed, religion, sex, age group, or whatevers .... would disagree with fighting back when shot at, taking a bullet for one's spouse, or slashing when no other choice is given but horrific, evil slavery. IMHO, these statements (and other Prophet's renditions of it) .... are where it all comes from. Notice that in its pure form, all reasons are understandable and just. The problem comes in when Power-hungry men twist these statements into "that's why we must fight for MY oil/money/land/slave-control/etc. Notice how corporate "oil/money interest" ...... gets spinned as "our nations (freedom) interests". BTW, I changed the subject heading ... for easier archive search. Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL ----- Original Message ----- From: GuyW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hakan Falk: Islam also preaches non violence. Guy's Response: Baloney. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Coral Calcium for Greater Health - $23.95 http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid=2805&lp=calcium2.asp http://us.click.yahoo.com/MmkSQC/NTVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/