Ditto. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Brah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: If you"re pro war, read this!!!!!
> Keith, > > > > You're arguing the same issue from a different perspective. My point > was that the western powers want to keep the status quo in Africa. Any > action on their part to ameliorate the physical or economic suffering of > the third world is simply a charade. > > > > Historically western governments have used a variety of indirect methods > for exploitation and control. From smallpox blankets to AIDS and from > fire water to opium, the details may be different but the results are > the same. > > > > I assert that the situation in Africa will not change as long as western > nations maintain their ascendancy. > > > > -BRAH > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: If you"re pro war, read this!!!!! > > > > >Not to confuse two separate issues, but it just so happens that Liberia > >has natural resources. It has gold, diamonds, and a rare type of > >silicon used in cellular phones, so I don't think our motives for going > >to the Dark Continent are quite as pure as the administration would > have > >us believe. The fifteen billion earmarked for African AIDS is not a > lot > >of money compared to what we're currently spending elsewhere. Most > >likely, that money will go right back to western companies providing > >"humanitarian services," drugs, food, medical equipment, etc. > >De-population of Africa is seen as a good thing by western leaders. It > >gives us easier access to natural resources, and in environmental > >parlance "reduces the burden on the biosphere." While the population > of > >industrialized nations is steadily falling, the average birth rate in > >Africa is on average 3 times higher. AIDS and civil unrest are good > >ways to keep these "irresponsible breeders" in check. After all, our > >dear mother earth has enough trouble supporting the more than six > >billion people already living. I'm going to go out on a limb and > >predict that the money that Dubya spends in Africa will have a less > than > >marginal effect on the AIDS epidemic. In marked contrast, the > >inevitable U.S. military presence established (in Liberia perhaps) to > >"Provide Security" for humanitarian aid workers, will work wonderfully. > >With global hegemony first and foremost in the minds of American > leaders > >and planners, African involvement is just a matter of opportunity. > > > > > > > >-BRAH > > Bryan, high birthrates are absolutely a symptom of poverty. The best > (only?) way to reduce high birthrates is to reduce poverty; women's > empowerment and education are fundamental aspects of poverty > reduction, and also immediately result in lower birthrates. The > Bushies' anti-family planning stance worldwide and general economic > policies are devastating in their effects on poor communities, and > especially on women. See, among others (embarrassment of riches here, > so to speak): > > http://us.oneworld.net/article/view/62393/1/ > War on Poverty? Nice Words, But... > > This... > > >... After all, our > >dear mother earth has enough trouble supporting the more than six > >billion people already living. > > ... is a myth, an apologia widely held in (guess) the rich countries > with the HUGE eco-footprints. There's plenty of room for everyone > EXCEPT the rich and greedy, probably the top (? - I'd say "bottom") > 1% at the most. According to the United Nations Development > Programme, the richest 1% of the world's population receives as much > income as the poorest 57%. > > > The world's richest fifth consumes 86% of all goods and services > >while the poorest fifth consumes just 1.3%. The richest fifth > >consumes 45% of all meat and fish, 58% of all energy used, and 84% > >of all toilet paper, has 74% of all telephone lines, and owns 87% of > >all vehicles. The world's 225 richest individuals, of whom 60 are > >American with total assets of $311 billion, have a combined wealth > >of over $1 trillion - equal to the annual income of the poorest 47% > >of the entire world's population. (Source: NYTimes, 9/26/98, Week in > >Review section.) > > This is NOT the way to decrease soaring birthrates: > > > UN statistics provide evidence of the widening gap between rich and > >poor: In nine years, the income ratio between the top 20% and the > >bottom 20% has increased from 60:1 to 74:1. Eighty countries have > >less revenue than they did a decade ago. The assets of the 200 > >richest people exceed the combined income of 41% of the world's > >total population. (Monday, July 12, 1999, BBC World News) > > In probably the most comprehensive study to date, "Scorecard on > Globalization 1980-2000", Mark Weisbrot, Dean Baker and other > researchers at the Center for Economic and Policy Research found that > economic growth and rates of improvement in life expectancy, child > mortality, education levels and literacy all declined in the era of > global corporatization (1980-2000) compared to 1960-1980. > > Millions of people who could have escaped a lifetime of poverty under > the former rules of market economics under democratic limits were > unable to do so under the new rules of global corporate governance. > > "For economic growth and almost all of the other indicators, the last > 20 years have shown a very clear decline in progress as compared with > the previous two decades... The poorest group went from a per capita > GDP growth rate of 1.9 percent annually in 1960-80, to a *decline* of > 0.5 percent per year (1980-2000). By almost every measure, the > progress achieved in the two decades of globalization has been > considerably less than the progress in the period from 1960 to 1980", > especially in the low and middle-income countries. > http://www.cepr.net/globalization/scorecard_on_globalization.htm > The Scorecard on Globalization 1980-2000 - Twenty Years of Diminished > Progress > By Mark Weisbrot, Dean Baker, Egor Kraev and Judy Chen > July 11, 2001 > > > Economic growth is projected as the road to overcome global > >poverty. With economic growth of $100 the rich 20% of the world > >population pocket $83 and the poorest 20% get $1.40. Global economic > >growth is therefore a highly inefficient way to help the global poor. > > Actually most of the poorest 20% don't gain anything, they lose, or > lose heavily, or just starve to death, along with their children. > That's why they breed more - more births raises the chances that some > might survive. > > Best > > Keith > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:18 PM > >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: If you"re pro war, read this!!!!! > > > > > > > >You guys tickle me pink. > > > >Putting all humanitarian aspects completely aside, the degree of your > >selflessness is absolutely astounding. After all, zero was an > impossible > >number for even Scrooge to maintain. So congratulations are indeed in > >order. > > > >Whatever happened to compassionate conservatism? Out of vogue already? > > > >ROFFL!!! ROFFL!!! > > > >Do you really think that Shrub doesn't intend to get something in > return > >for > >money that Africa is in all likelihood never going to see the majority > >of? > >With 16% of North American imports presently coming from Africa and an > >expected increase to 25% by 2015, fifteen billion dollars is a dirt > >cheap > >investment to prevent the social decay and mayhem that is inevitable > >(and > >already evidenced) if AIDS is not checked. > > > >You can bet your burrow and its saddle that humanitarian assistance is > >not > >at the top of the rationale list. The black vote, blunting Democrat > >attack, > >widespread positive PR and a little more security of oil supplies down > >the > >road. Not a bad return in exchange for money that doesn't exist - > >presuming > >the gambit pays off. > > > >Todd Swearingen > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "lenpyp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:30 PM > >Subject: [biofuel] Re: If you"re pro war, read this!!!!! > > > > > > > Bravo! Like $15,000,000,000 to Africa for AIDS!!! But prepare > > > to get lambasted with all the reasons why everyone thinks you are > > > wrong, it happens anytime someone doesnt agree. > > > > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "mtushmoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kris Book <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > http://www.costofwar.com/ > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > SBC Yahoo! 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