Howdy Kieth,
>>How about we refer to this subject as "the risk of global climate >>change" . This blunts the arguments of many of the naysayers. >> >> > >Um, actually it naysays it. It's not a risk, it's happening. An >embarrassment of riches (of a sort), but, again, see what the >insurers say: > > Yes the climate is changing, but there are those who claim it to be natural variation. The mean temperature of the planet has changed a scant 0.5 degrees celsius in the past century or so. Because temperature is a very noisy signal here, ie temperature variations almost two orders of magnitude greater on a annual basis, there is reason for caution on attribution. >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/27311/1 > > >From the above: "Today, climate change as a financial issue is very much underestimated from the point of view of the insurance and reinsurance industry's potentially rising costs and risks... note the use of potentially, that is what I am saying >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/28055/ > > Cape Town - Global warming would affect many sectors of the economy, including the insurance industry, according to Munich Reinsurance Company of Africa Limited. again there is an uncertainty expressed. >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/30866/1 > > If Munich Re is correct, the world can expect a sharp increase in insurance costs and the toll of human misery unless governments and industry take steps to reduce reliance on fossil fuels. again there is a hedge there. " If Munich is correct" >Why do you talk as if it's something that may happen in the future >Bob? It's history already. > > I guess am being more conservative because it give me a stronger position to argue from. Basing claims of climate change on a couple of years of data I believe leaves one more open to challenge. For example, coincident with the mount pinatubo eruption was a about .5 degree drop in the temperature of the northern hemisphere for a couple of years. I am much more concerned with the high end projections for the next 50 or so years, which suggest a rate of change of temperature several times greater than the past century. > >Summers. Well. I'd like to say he's not to be taken seriously, but >have a look at this and judge for yourself (it's a pulltogether). > > I hope you don't think I included the quote from summers thinking it had any validity. Quite the contrary, it was included to show how preposterous the "don't worry be happy" crowd actually is. My position is that whether or not we can attribute increased current costs for the re insurers to human affects on th climate is immaterial. I needn't argue that to argue that the risks are real and the solution is radical changes in how humans in general and first worlders in particular, conduct their affairs. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob ------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------- The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG -------------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
