Whoops. This was supposed to be a reply to Keith to a response he left in the "oil an dIsrael" thread. How I managed to respond to the wrong reply, I don't know.
Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Keith, > > As always, it seems that the solutions lie more in the efforts of > individuals rather than government programs that funnel money to > those who need it less while ignoring those in actual need. In > Indy, there is a program called Second Helpings which is doing great > work. They "rescue" food about to be discarded by foodservice, and > prepare something on the order of 10,000 meals per year. Some of > these meals are served at fancy banquets to pay expenses, while > others are provided to the hungry. In the process, people without > job skills are provided a stipend to live while being trained for > jobs in foodservice. These are chef and management training > programs, not dishwasher training, and graduates actually are able > to get jobs that pay enough for them to live. All of this is done > without any public money, relying only on sales of food that > otherwise would have gone to waste. It's a small drop in the bucket > when it comes to the problem in Indy, but the benefit to those they > serve is far greater than any of the programs Darryl has been able > to find in his web search. > > Brian > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Lyle > > > > >Go easy, Keith. > > > > > >There is something to be said for enthusiasm. > > > > There's lots to be said for it, as the Astroturf groups, the > industry > > shills, the "Wise Use" charlatans and the fake persuaders Monsanto > et > > al are known to send to groups like this all know very well. There > > are such people here, I can assure you of that. > > > > >I'm interested in the biodiesel as biotech idea. Surely > biodiesel is > > >low to no "tech," but does it hurt us to raise the biotech banner? > > > > I think it does. As currently practised there's nothing about > biotech > > that is compatible with rational and sustainable biofuels use, nor > to > > rational and sustainable food production. > > > > >It occurs to me, after wasting a bunch of homemade fuel driving to > > >meetings in Raleigh last year (capital of NC), > > > > That you see it that way puts you way ahead of most people. > Frankly, > > those who don't see it that way are living in a fool's paradise. > > > > >that there appears to be no such thing as a constituency for > > >"sustainability." > > > > It's a buzz-word, much maligned and very much hi-jacked, all too > > often just a Pavlov bell that's supposed to jerk your left knee > when > > it rings, even when it sounds on the right. Nonetheless there is > such > > a thing, very much so, and certainly a constituency for it, and it > > has a very clear meaning - able to continue indefinitely. That is, > > without using up the resources it depends on, without such > > "side-effects" as to minimise or negate its benefits, and so on. > Try > > it out for size with what currently flies under the biotech > banner. > > Try using these criteria: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/community.html > > Community development > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/community2.html > > Community development 2 > > > > >Everywhere you can see hear the voices of Big Soy, Big Oil, Big > > >Government, but where do you hear "Sustainability?" > > > > > >Perhaps we should snatch the "biotech" cache and ride it into the > > >legislative process. > > > > To what avail? With what benefit? How could it apply? Please see: > > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/32259/1/ > > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/32312/1 > > > > Enthusiasm's no use on its own. A benighted enthusiasm might be > > sincere enough but it doesn't go anywhere that's good, it has to > be > > enlightened. So you have to question it. The response can tell you > a > > lot. If it's a true enthusiasm it should be open to suggestion and > > perhaps new ideas or different ways of looking at things. > > > > You may have noticed Matthew Wisz did not respond, not to this, > nor > > to my questioning his most odd referring of a newcomer from > Portugal > > asking about biodiesel to a US "Wise Use" industry-front spin > group > > with zero information on biodiesel, nor to Rachel's reply on > > biodiesel in NC. Instead he unsubscribed. Could be wrong, but I > doubt > > it's any loss. > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > >On May 27, 2004, at 7:49 PM, Keith Addison wrote: > > > > > > >> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/413048553 > > > >> > > > >> This petition was setup to acknowledge the need to research > more on > > > >> the > > > >> economic impact from the use of alternative fuels in NC, and > abroad. > > > >> Please > > > >> help me reach my goal, and follow the links. That would help > me > > > >> SOOOOO Much. > > > >> Thank you, > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Matthew Wisz > > > >> TriStar Computer Solutions > > > > > > > > Hm... > > > > > > > > "... a replinishable crop such as soyfuel"? You think soy is a > good > > > > energy crop or a good biofuels crop? Not many people think so, > unless > > > > they have industry interests. > > > > > > > > "Money which not only could instantly spark economic growth, > but save > > > > farming communities and jobs. If the idea is to keep jobs in > North > > > > Carolina...Then let's make a reason for big biotech companies > to come > > > > to North Carolina." > > > > > > > > Would you care to explain this strange reasoning? What is the > > > > relationship between big biotech companies and biodiesel, or > between > > > > biotech and biodiesel? Do you know of any instances of big > biotech > > > > companies saving farming communities and jobs? Why do you want > big > > > > biotech companies to come to North Carolina? Don't you like > North > > > > Carolina? > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > >Lyle Estill > > >V.P., Stuff > > >Piedmont Biofuels > > >www.biofuels.coop ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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