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From: Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:22:54 -0500

Greetings Todd,

Actually paper adobe stands up real well, especially if it is stuccoed. My humidity is worse in the winter, since that is when we get liquid sunshine. <grin> I am looking into rice husk ash as a way to make the paper adobe more fire proof and perhaps help it withstand the weather better. Bales must be paid for, hauled in by truck and are a 2 man job to stack. Paper adobe uses my heavy clay and waste paper of which lots is available locally. Paper adobe is a one man job, so I can work on it while my DH is at work. Also, the paper adobe is much lighter requiring a less substantial foundation for the building.

Each climate has it's own demands, what works well in one place is not the correct solution for everywhere. If we search, we can find a solution that will work for our own climate that is good for Mother Earth as well, if we are lucky enough that the government does not interfere. By the way, I have left paper adobe out in the winter in the rain and had it survive with only about 20% disintegration, not bad for dirt and paper.

The big problem with traditional construction is termites. Either I would have to put the building up on posts about 3 feet off the ground or do chemical termite treatments. It is very difficult to build up in the air and have the building with stand the storms we get. I am tearing down a traditional construction built this way due to storm damage. Winds of 100 mph gusting to 130 mph are not unusual here. The buildings wind up being so tall, since 10 foot ceilings are a real benefit with our heat, that it is scary working on the upper walls and roof. We do not use a work crew, I do most of the building myself.

Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 07:28 AM 9/14/2004, you wrote:
Ya' know Kim,

You could put the matter to test quite simply. Build a six bale yard bench
and wait and see.

Construction in winter might also address the humidity issue in the presence
of open bales.

If all else fails, there's still conventional thick-wall or
dual-wallconstruction, high R insullation and radiant barriers.

Todd Swearingen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate


> Greetings Doug,
>
> Actually, unless you are rich and can afford a large construction crew,
> your bales are going to get wet during construction, so knowing how they > will react is important. A water proof covering that does not breath will > rot bales faster than leaving them outside due to condensation. There is > no way in an extremely humid climate to get real dry bales, they are going > to have a fairly high humidity. Seal them in and let the weather happen,
> and temperature dropping 40degrees F in 10 minutes are not unusual as a
> blue northern blows in, and you have a major condensation problem in your > wall. Considering that I have watched fire ants eat through concrete, I
do
> not believe that it is possible to seal the critters out of any wall,
> eventually they will be in your bale wall.
>
> I make it a habit to test materials in the harshest kind of tests before I
> build with them.  I want to know how much damage the weather can do to
> them.  I have been hit once already by a tornado, winds of 130 mph have
> happened more than once.  Buildings do get damaged in storms, it takes
time
> to repair the damage, especially since the living must be cared for
> first. If the trees and plants need attention or if the shelters for the
> animals need attention, that must be done before the house.
>
> In an ideal world you may be able to keep your bales perfect, but I don't
> live there.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Kim
>
> At 04:24 PM 9/12/2004, you wrote:
> >But straw bale building relies on the straw being encased in a
> >water/vermin-proof wrap. Leaving a bale outside I think, is not a valid
test.
> >
> >regards Doug
>
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